Scalar Energy and the Future of Treatment with Tom Paladino

Tom Paladino is a researcher and Scientist who has been studying Scalar Light energy since the early 90's.  This groundbreaking method could be the change we need to see the world grow into the light.  The possibilities are truly limitless with this technology, check out Tom's website and get treated remotely for 2 weeks absolutely free!

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SPEAKER_02 0:06

Welcome to Blue Collar Mystics, the under the hood approach to the depths of human consciousness. So many mysteries, so little time, so many big words. That's why we aim to take the mystical and make it practical, usable in your everyday life. And you know, we want to hear from you. We want to hear your story. What happened when you started asking yourself the real questions? Like, who am I? What is this? Is it a hologram? Is this some kind of weird cosmic joke? Hey, these are the questions that we are trying to get to the bottom of as we explore the final rabbit hole together here as blue collar mystics. What's up and welcome everyone to another Blue Collar Mystics episode. We are the people who are looking under the hood of consciousness and trying to get an accurate picture of what's going on. The mysteries of the universe are dangling from your belt loop. Uh, wouldn't you know it? And I'm really excited to have an amazing guest on today. We're gonna talk about basically some new ideas as far as energy, as far as healing goes, someone who is a scientist and also someone who really who loves God and believes in a higher purpose for our things. We're gonna talk a little bit about old science and tech and bring it into new science and tech and talk a lot about what is scalar light, scalar light energy. I'm actually just going to uh show you guys the website as well, but I'd love to welcome Mr. Tom Palladino to the podcast. Thank you so much for being here. It's a pleasure.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

Thank you for the invitation. Great to be here, Bowen.

SPEAKER_02 2:12

It's it's it really is my pleasure. I love what you're doing. This is so interesting. And we want to talk about this first and go ahead and and just die dive right deep into it. But I can't wait to hear about how you got here and a little bit more about your story as well. But let's start at the beginning and exactly what scalar light is, scalar energy. Tell us a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_00 2:33

Okay. Well, you we all understand this term consciousness. You did use that term consciousness. That's what I'm working with. This is not electricity. So, what is consciousness? Let's call it the intelligence of the universe. Everything needs instructions, intelligence. The intelligence of the universe is consciousness or scalar energy. That's what I'm working with, the intelligence of the universe. Now, by comparison, this is not electricity, which some people say is a movement of electrons or alternating current. Well, that's fine, but this is much on a much grander scheme of things. So we're not going to speak about the electromagnetic spectrum. We're going to speak about scalar energy, which is the consciousness of the universe. And I work with that by way of instrumentation. I've developed instruments, scalar energy instruments, that can control the intelligence of the universe. And that's what's so fascinating about my work, if I may say so. To be able to control the intelligence of the universe really gives me a mandate, provides me some type of dominion over nature. And I'll I'll stand by that statement.

SPEAKER_02 3:51

That's powerful. Yeah, so it sounds like an intention beam. I mean, I don't know. I'm just gonna throw that out there in a way. Um, because what you know, I'm trying to understand just exactly what those devices might do or look like, or what effects they may have. Can you talk a little bit about the development of the devices themselves?

SPEAKER_00 4:09

I'll I'll show the audience. This is one of the photographs of an instrument that I work with. These are scalar energy instruments, they're custom built. That is cool. And and these instruments allow me to access that other dimension. So there's two energies in the universe. Let's start with this. All energy initiates is scalar energy, scalar light from the sun and the stars. If you look at the the universe from a telescope and from a telescopic point of view, you're saying to yourself, well, there's a lot of light, there's a lot of stars, and that's where the light, that's where the energy derives from. Specifically, it's scalar energy, scalar light that powers a star. Now, electricity is just the uh uh sequin, it's the subset, if you will, of scalar energy. So the primary, the initial energy of the universe is scalar energy, scalar light. Whereas the electromagnetic spectrum that we use in our household appliances, that's the offshoot, that's the derivative of scalar energy. It's always been my contention is that we should forget the subset or or the derivative of energy, electricity, and go back to the primal force, which is scalar energy. That's one of my goals in my lifetime.

SPEAKER_02 5:25

I want to achieve that. Would you say that scalar energy is dualistic in its nature, like electromagnetic or electric energy? Uh dualistic in what sense? Polarized, like there are two components uh working together kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 5:41

I um in certain environments it can it can, I think, demonstrate a pole, uh a dipole, if you will. But you have to consider if this energy is everywhere, it it really is beyond space and time. So if you're saying that, that's my statement to your audience, then it really does not have a a polar, uh, a polar an anti uh an anti-pole, meaning what? If this is everywhere, you don't need a pole. It it's not a polar construct, it's really unipole. It's it's only one energy that permeates the universe. That's a great thought. I've I've considered that, but from my vantage point, if this energy transcends time and space and it's everywhere instantaneously, you really to have a polar environment would be would would be out of character. It would be um it wouldn't be efficient. So if everything is contained within this space-time paradigm, you don't need a duality about it, it's everywhere instantaneously, everything else would be flu superfluous. That's a good point, though. I like that.

SPEAKER_02 7:04

Well, it's interesting to think about, you know, from a lot of the ancient ideas that many of people in my audience and contemporary people would talk about hermetics and stuff like that, that we talk a lot about polarity, but it would make sense that the duality would have to derive from a monad anyway. So why not cut it off at the surface or at the past at the beginning, the the actual absolute uh most uh I don't know, uh singular force, if you will.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

That's a profound thought. I I like where you're going with that. I I'll I'll stick by my my thoughts and my conceptualized scalar energy as being the oneness of the universe. I love it. Where you don't need a you don't need a polar construct. Whereas um with electricity and magnetism, those are two really uh almost opposing forces, if if you will. Uh, electricity and magnetism always travel in a perpendicular fashion, in a perpendicular fashion along an axis, whereas whereas scale energy is a double helix and it travels in unison, it always travels in parallel. Nonetheless, there are you know, these are mind-bending concepts, and thank you so much for bending my mind. And I and I appreciate where you're going with this. Let me just make this very clear. If consciousness is everywhere, I believe it is, I believe it's the mind of God, and I believe scalar energy, scalar light is the mind of God, then the universe is holographic. No matter what you're setting, no matter where in time or space you're at, the whole becomes the part, the part becomes a whole. That's quite a profound concept.

SPEAKER_02 8:49

Yeah, that's back to one of those hermetic principles, too. I think like as above, so below. Yes, yeah, as it is within the individual. So it is with, you know, and so we see all these reflections and all the mirrors, the holographic that's a great book, too. Uh, the holographic universe, you know, these these ideas. That makes it makes complete sense within that model as well.

SPEAKER_01 9:10

I think so.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

So I think that's very cool. How do you think that some of this relates to, let's say, uh Nikola Tesla's work or some earlier people who were into God bless you?

SPEAKER_00 9:24

God bless Tesla. He's known as the father of AC electricity, and early in his life, he he was enamored with AC electricity. But if you read his notes and if you look at his actions, later in his life he was no longer working with AC electricity. He was no longer working with an induction motor or any type of armature. Later in his life, he was capturing the energy of the sun and the stars. His inventions later in his life were motionless. There were no moving parts in his invention, meaning he did away with kinetic energy, trying to produce kinetic energy, and he captured kinetic energy from the sun and the stars. That's the salient point that I want to drive home. And this is where I'm at right now. I have no, I have no problem with induction motors. I have no problem with with pistons, with with pulleys, with microprocessors, etc. That's the modern-day world we live in. But something that far exceeds that is the energy or the kinetic source is from the sun and the stars. We do not need a power plant in the future. I'll repeat that. We do not have to create a power plant. And Tessa saw that. Tessa's inventions later in his life harnessed the energy of the sun and the stars. He was no longer interested in creating power. He was only interested in harnessing power. And I could speak to that point because he had a tower, Wardencliffe Tower, in Long Island, New York, at the turn of the century. And that tower, if you looked at it, it is really just a it was a battery. It would absorb the energy of the cosmos. But if you look very closely, there was no power plant around. There were no telephone wires or telephone poles. There was no armature, there were no turbines. So you have to really look at his tower, and you have to say, well, this is fine, but where are the moving parts? There were no moving parts. The moving parts are the sun and the stars, so to speak. That's where he was gaining this energy. So Tesla moved from the armature, from the induction motor, to having towers that would simply capture star energy.

SPEAKER_02 11:42

It's incredible. Yeah. I mean, I yeah, I thought about this too, and I don't want to get off base because I we I won't I will ask you like a real follow-up question. But uh some of the folks out there have talked about ancient ancient technology, ancient energy perhaps being uh possibly used um, you know, just years ago. There's like tartaria or just different ideas about the pyramids and how they may have been built and things like that. I think there's definitely uh potential there that we may have had that may put these types of technologies potentially in the past. Uh, and I think Tesla's an excellent example of that. Uh, but before we get in into any speculative uh stuff, I want to talk talk about um getting this out there and how people can try it and and and basically what what that looks like. Uh the experiential side, as you said just before the interview, is that we want people to see what it's about and and check it out. So let's talk a little bit about that.

SPEAKER_00 12:40

Well, with without further ado, I'm gonna hold up my photograph. I work with people by way of their photographs. Now, we've heard the term quantum entanglement, meaning what? That two objects separated at a distance can still communicate with one another. Now, people will email me their photograph. The photograph is their bi-located version, or by way of quantum entanglement, it is attached to them, to their energy field. I literally take a person's photograph, I print it out, and I place it inside this scalar energy instrument. And in so doing, my photograph is enjoying a scalar energy force field by being placed inside my instrument. And hence I can make a contact with a person through their photograph. Now, if I can contact a person by way of my cell phone, or you and I can have this Zoom call, this video call, your image, your voice, my image, my voice is communicating back and forth. We can likewise communicate through a person's photograph. What we're doing through the electromagnetic spectrum, I do through the quantum spectrum with a person's photograph. Okay. To make this very clear. Now, people around the world email me photographs and I place their photograph inside this instrument. And what does this instrument do? It will balance the chakras. It will look for a microbe, a germ, and break down that microbe or that germ. Or it can uh actually create a vitamin or an amino acid. So there's so many things that we can do with the scalar energy instrument, balancing the chakras. Why? Because our brain, our seven chakras, are composed of scalar energy. And when I place this my photograph inside an instrument, my instrument will look at my brain character, look at my brain waves, and rewire them or program them with scalar energy through the photograph. The interface is always the photograph of a person or an animal.

SPEAKER_02 14:51

Wow, that's pretty cool.

SPEAKER_00 14:53

Yeah, that's groundbreaking science. This is the new science of scalar energy, and I'll make this very clear. My instruments are unique, they're custom built. I don't think anybody's duplicated my results yet. So I have to wait for a third party to step forward to duplicate my results. But I think what I'm doing is is going to be considered the beginning movement of this new science, of this new branch of quantum healing. It's informational healing, it's not biological. We heal by way of information.

SPEAKER_02 15:30

Fascinating. So, how did you get onto this path and start figuring this out? What was your kind of impetus?

SPEAKER_00 15:38

I remember as a youngster, I would read about Tesla. And when he was building these scatter energy instruments, he remarked that his health improved and that of his co-workers, their health improved just by being in the vicinity of these instruments. Well, that was because they were working in proximity of those instruments. Well, I took it to the next step instead of having people come to my laboratory, they send me their photograph. And instead of people being inside my laboratory in close proximity to a scalar energy instrument, I'd much rather work with a photograph. It's much easier to work with a person's photograph. And that's what I'm doing today. So I learned from Tesla, at least in theory, that he he went on record by saying that his inventions improved human health. It improves in some way they felt better. They felt energized. And in many ways, I've I've copied his work, at least in theory, and that's what I'm doing. I work with anybody in the world through their photograph. Our website allows anybody in the world to send in to submit a photograph, so we'll work with them for free for 15 days. Anybody can submit a photograph and we'll balance your chakras, we'll we'll identify microbes, germs, and eliminate those microbes and germs. And the results are always guaranteed. Now, how you feel is a different matter. Everybody's distinct, everybody's unique. But what am I getting at? When you work with energy, energy never makes a mistake. So I always have a favorable outcome. To what extent I have to rely upon people and their feedback?

SPEAKER_02 17:19

Sure, sure. And that's part of that's science, right? Like yes, um, 100%. I love that. And um man, that's just fascinating. What what was it that made you think uh I would just use photographs, you know? I I guess you could do either identifiers, maybe, or something.

SPEAKER_00 17:35

Yeah, you're right. That's a good term. I was of the good fortune in 1993. I met um the Hieronymous family, they're Americans, the Hieronymous family. They at that time they were living in Germany, excuse me, in Georgia. And um, in so doing, I was able to purchase Hieronymous scalar energy instruments from this family, and actually they were outside of Sparta, Georgia. Um, I in the United States? Yes, I'm sorry, yeah. I'm in Athens, actually. Oh, you were you really? Yeah, that's the Hieronymus family. Uh had a laboratory in Sparta, Georgia. And I would visit their laboratory in Sparta, Georgia, and I would study with them for say, I had an understudy for three or four years. I never met the inventor, but I met his wife, Sarah Hieronymus. I was fortunate enough back in the 90s to purchase scalar energy instruments. And uh I that was my understudy. I had hands-on experience with the instruments developed and created by the inventor Galen Hieronymus. Well, in application, I said to myself, this is fantastic what he's done. This is again back in '93, '94. And very few people at that time were really into the quantum realm or consciousness. It's it 30 years ago that this was not uh embraced. Today it's being embraced. Anyway, long story short, it's taken me 30 years to perfect these instruments, to understand what my predecessor, Galen Hieronymus, achieved. And here we are today. Um, we're on the threshold of a new science that's going to change the world. It's my guarantee, I guarantee the world that scalar energy, scatter light research, if embraced and if nurtured, will change the course of history. Wow, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 19:28

That that could be the thing that takes us to the new earth, the energy, right? Yes, my friend. Yes. Well, yeah, that's awesome. Well, that makes me want to get into your story a little bit and just like, I mean, if you were messing around with consciousness and this kind of thought in the 90s, I remember my mom reading the Celestian prophecy when we were in maybe like middle school or high school, when she was all into it for like a week, you know. But but it was cool, you know, at that time. But yeah, you're right. Nobody was into this stuff really too much back then. That James Redfield book was the first thing I remember that was anywhere close to mainstream. Uh, but we have come a long way since then. I mean, everybody and their brother's channeling now or whatever, but uh, but no, uh, but what what about you? What what kind of brought you into this realm and this world?

SPEAKER_00 20:16

And like no, I I looked at the work of Nicola Tessa in theory when I was a youngster, and that was 50 years ago, and I said to myself, it's fascinating what he's doing, but I never had the practical experience. Well, again, when I met this Hieronymous family, this these inventors, Galen and Sarah Hieronymus. I never met again Galen, the inventor, but I met his wife, and then I had practical application, I had hands-on experience, I said, this is valid. So we took it from theoretical to practical with the hieronymous instruments. And then when I was able to guarantee a result, and this is the key on when I can guarantee an outcome, guarantee a result with these instruments, because these instruments control a fundamental force, then I said to myself, This is it. This is the science that I want to pursue. Uh, you know, this is not, uh, I'm not wishing that this is not hyperbole. I'm working within the laws of science, and I can guarantee an outcome with these instruments, and I'll explore that statement a little bit later. Okay. But when you have technology that allows you to have dominion over physical forms, scalar energy allows me to have control, dominion over physical forms. I said to myself, this is it. This this is the the future. A consciousness instrument, an instrument that controls the molecular bonds of matter, an instrument that can balance your brainwaves or your chakras. My goodness. This is the this is the grand slam that we're looking for.

SPEAKER_02 21:49

That's so cool. I just had to look up Sparta, Georgia, because I was like, I know that's not too far. It's only a couple of hours from where I live. Uh yeah, not too far from like the the lake over there, I think. Link Sinclair's.

SPEAKER_00 22:02

Yeah, that sadly, that family, they're all deceased, and nobody's taken up on their work. You know, when you have this esoteric subject, it's it's off the beaten path, let's let's face it. You really have to pursue this. You have to have this dogged determination. I do have that determination to pursue this. But um, as any groundbreaking research, you've got to prove it to you, mankind. So I'm still in the proving stages, and because of that, on account of that fact, it's slow going, it's slow going, you know. Let me just be blunt. So that's why I offer 15 days of free session to anybody in the world. I want to prove it to the world.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

Yeah, that's great. So, how does it compare to like a friend of mine, actually, who has had uh some things come up with Lyme disease? He used a um rife machine a little bit, which is radio frequency. Um, how is it in how how does that kind of compare?

SPEAKER_00 23:00

And just as a let me say this about Royal Rife. Royal Rife was using a technique in which he was able to pinpoint a disease condition or some type of biological condition through a photo uh through his instrument. Well, what Rife is was doing locally, I can do in a non-local sense through a person's photograph. Now, I don't work with rates, so I'm going to make this very clear. I work with photographs of microbes. So I'm holding up a photograph of the herpes virus alongside my photograph. I can actually take these two photographs and place it inside the instrument. The instrument will look for the molecular structure of herpes, find the molecular structure of herpes in me, and break it apart. So instead of having rates dials, so to speak, a rate book, there is no rate book. Right. I use a photograph of a microbe. That photograph of herpes will be found interpreted inside my quantum field, inside my instructional field. And I could destroy, I can eradicate herpes because I can do so through the intelligence and the interpretation of a photograph inside my quantum realm. So to put this into motion, those photographs of herpes and my photograph would be placed inside a scalar energy instrument. Wow.

SPEAKER_02 24:28

And so you could specifically sort of program it with the with the picture to look for that specific.

SPEAKER_00 24:37

And why do I like working with photographs? Photographs don't lie, they're a source of light. All I have to do is take this photograph of herpes and place it inside an instrument. The instrument will look for that molecular bond of herpes inside me or a person and destroy it. Now keep in mind this is not biological science. I never work with the physical body. I work with the information field. And when I work with a person's photograph, the person's photograph is quantum-entangled with that person, even though they're two separate entities. A person's photograph has an energetic connection to their energetic body. So what am I getting at? This is probably the aura, the spirit that I'm working with. Remember, this is non-physical, it's not a biological process. So my photograph carries information or an aura. My photograph has consciousness and it probably communicates with my consciousness. So we have two quantum fields. This is quantum entanglement. You've heard that term before. Quantum entanglement in which the information field of a photograph matches or is identical to my information field.

SPEAKER_02 25:50

And that's how they're fused together. Yes, sir. Okay, yeah, it makes sense. There's a lot of different uh ideas to in the this quantum. Uh, what do you got? Uh Joe Dispenza. One that I personally really loved was uh Vadim Zieland's reality transurfing. He talks a lot about like infinite timelines and possibilities, right? Shifting to those places in a sense, as opposed to like as opposed to like having to do all the stuff in the physical realm, instead just thinking about and bringing realities down from the etheric or metaphysical kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 26:28

Yes, yes. In other words, if this is the etheric realm or the spirit realm, the realm of intelligence, it instructs the lower realm of physicality. Now, for instance, if I speak into this cell phone, it can travel around the world. Now, so what are your options? You either speak in a cell phone and speak to somebody 5,000 miles away, or you get in your car and you travel 5,000 miles and you have a discussion with them. Well, I'd much rather do it through the information field, or I'd much rather have a video conference with you from two separate locations than again, my having to get in a car and physically visit you. So what's the point? Well, this is the information realm, right? There is no Pony Express here. We don't have to travel to communicate. We can communicate at a distance. And a scalar energy instrument can communicate at a distance. And if we keep it at the informational level, instructions, which transcends, which is which is far superior than the physical realm, then we use this this non-physical realm, scalar energy, to instruct the physical. So the instructions, the intelligence, supersede the outcome, which is the physical world.

SPEAKER_02 27:51

Right. Yeah. I could I yeah, it makes sense to me. Like, right, the consciousness instructs the physical world, the the the the etheric, the physical, the uh affects the physical, the the mental, it the all is mind. It fits right in with all that uh hermetic stuff, too. Um I could yeah, I think that's so cool. I think it's really neat. And I I only know one other person who has even talked about this, and that's uh it's Derek of Mystical Wares. Um, and he he has I don't know what his setup looks like, but who knows? Maybe you guys uh could could uh collaborate, talk a little bit about this stuff too, to get it fused up. I understand the the the lag when you bring something new and trying to get people uh to hear about it, uh, especially something that is potentially as groundbreaking as this. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_00 28:42

You know, people are are they understand this concept, for instance. You've heard many people say what your mind perceives your body or or your or your disposition will achieve. So it all starts with the mind or a thought or creativity, right? This is why you should think positive. You should be virtuous because the way you think is ultimately the world that you create around you. So you start with the instructions, the mind, the notion, the creativity, and therefrom follows your life and what what you've prepared for yourself. Well, that that's obvious. We realize that you there's so many coaches today that say think positive thoughts. Why? Well, you set up a positive environment, you're you're on that track, so to speak. Don't be negative because you'll you'll inherit that negativity, which is a dead end. Well, if you can do that with the mind, and we can, why can't we do that with a scatter energy instrument? Okay, what when when I program this instrument, it does what I ask it to do. When I program this instrument, my mind, it does what I ask it to do, right?

SPEAKER_02 29:52

Absolutely. That's well, that's what I love about someone like you and your approach, where you're like, I I believe in God, right? And so there's a huge advantage to believing in God because it opens up that mind to be open to other possibilities that someone's like, there's no God, blah blah blah, everything is uh, you know, an algorithm. I don't know what whatever that mentality entails, but their their ability to conceive is so much more narrow than someone who's like, you know what? Like, I'm open. I believe I I want to experience what what these mysteries are. Nobody can really tell us what's going on. I mean, even after 40 years in the game, I've talked to a lot of people, man. You know, it's like nobody really knows what reality is. Uh, we could sit down and still we're debating existentialism, you know, thousands of years into our existence, which I find hilarious and awesome at the same time. But I love that you're with your approach, I think there's so much more uh potential uh as through science by saying, hey, we're using this as a as an instrument, we're gonna see how it works, we're gonna see if we can't do this. It's definitely possible. Um, and I don't know, I just I find that very inspiring. I think that's I think that's missing a lot uh when it comes down to science when it and and spirituality, like it's I don't think but maybe a hundred years ago, those two things, those two fields were separated, you know, going back into our history as as humans, pre-industrial revolution, you know, alchemy and spirituality. I mean, there was there was taboo stuff going on, there was witchcraft and the church and stuff, but like though, but science and and spirituality were kind of in the same realm. And I think it's only kind of a new development as humans where we see them as such separate objects now for some reason.

SPEAKER_00 31:51

Yeah, I we we uh in many ways we've come full circle, or in many ways, we're we're relearning um what some people understood millennia ago. But it it to me it's just all so fascinating. And if you're humble and you're willing to learn, you're gonna learn so much. Whether it's you'll learn from yourself, you might learn from engineering instruments, you might learn from this new this new science, this new genre, scalar energy consciousness. If your mind is open and you're willing to be humble and you're willing to learn, the sky's a limit. Those who who imperil themselves are those who think they they know it all or will discount any new thought. Well, you know, there therein lies the impediment. So just be open, be humble. There's no shame in saying you don't know. There's so many things I don't know, but I'm willing to learn.

SPEAKER_02 32:45

That's so cool. Yeah. Well, tell us uh a little bit about messing around with these devices and and and what you've learned about that process.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

So today in my laboratory, I worked with half a million photographs of people. Oh my gosh. No, no, no. Again, you can work with one photograph or you can work with a collage, or you can work with really small photographs, and you could work with half a million photographs at a time.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

Wow.

SPEAKER_00 33:17

And today in my laboratory, I scanned half a million photographs for the herpes virus. So, in other words, in one day I can interpret the herpes virus in everybody's quantum field, and a half a million people can be scanned, and we will eradicate the disease pattern, the signature of herpes in their quantum field through a photograph. Now, digest that and you see where we're going with this. We we mentioned these terms that scale energy transcends time or space, that it's everywhere instantaneously. And if my instrument can work with anybody anywhere, instantaneously through their photograph, whether it's a collage of 30 people or whether it's uh half a million people that I can fit into one instrument, we see a global healing ministry. We see the great potential here to work with millions of people every day through the quantum field, the information field that's far superior to the physical realm, which we can do so much more quickly, instantaneously in the information realm with a photograph, as opposed to having people fly into the state of Florida and to visit my laboratory. We don't do that, we work in the non-physical realm.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

Yeah, that's awesome. It's like a having a remote wizard just no, dude, that's so cool. I I am I'm blown away by it. It makes a lot of sense to me. So I I take so you're printing the photographs out, and they're somehow going, you know, through into the machine, and that is sending that out instantaneously. I love the idea that this is this is the energy that you know college kids probably take a little bit of some substance and go out under their lawn and they talk about what it is, right? Like we're talking about consciousness primarily, uh, and how and almost animism, which I I've I can fully I've I've had a sense about, you know, that anything that exists is somehow part of that mind, is part of somehow a living, right? It's somehow um, I don't know, uh all related, all connected and interwoven through that fabric that you're talking about that is kind of the scalar energy, the that that energy that that ties it all together, the the rug that really ties the room together, so to speak.

SPEAKER_00 35:53

Yes, thank you. You know, if if you look at the universe, the universe with with all of its complexity, with trillions upon trillions of galaxies, you need an information system to keep that ordered. If you look at the universe, there's incredible order, harmony. What's the order? How do you how do we have such harmony? Why is it that the constellations form a specific pattern? Why is it that stars just don't fall apart? Scalar light consciousness instructs everything. This is the instruction field of everything. My instrument allows me to access that instruction field. This is why this is so important. This will be the supercomputer of the future. Scalar energy is the new cloud. We have a computer cloud, an information cloud where we store data. That's that's pertinent. The the scalar energy cloud is infinite, it's the mind of God, it's consciousness. So we're eventually going to make that transition from AI, the information cloud, to the consciousness cloud or the mind of God. And it's going to be a quantum leap. Wow, that's wild.

SPEAKER_02 37:12

So let's talk a little bit about AI then and how that uh I guess that's where we're at now. I mean, there's no there's no turning back now.

SPEAKER_00 37:21

But there isn't, there isn't. It's uh whether you like it or not, it's it, you know, any type of uh advancement, any type of technology should serve people. The the at the end game here is how does it benefit us? So artificial intelligence. Well, you and I realize we've had artificial intelligence since we had handheld calculators. Okay, okay. So as we advance and we see artificial intelligence now will perform many of the functions that we want it to perform. It's a tool. And the bottom line, so simple. Just make sure you're doing that in a morally correct fashion. Technology can be used for good or evil, it's that simple. So artificial intelligence, remember, you still need a human programming, you still need a computer, you still need some type of um infrastructure created by man. Whereas scalar energy will access the cosmos. See, this is what I like about Tessa's work later in his life. There was no infrastructure. When I broadcast energy to people around the world, there is no satellite, there is no grid system, there is no infrastructure, there is no artificial intelligence, it's the universe. So, what we have today with the computer industry is man's endeavor, artificial intelligence created by man, computers created and programmed by men, by people, as opposed to a scale energy force field that pre-exists. So there's no comparison to artificial intelligence, man's design, and consciousness, God's design. There's no comparison.

SPEAKER_02 39:08

Yeah, cosmic intelligence uh is gonna crush in that one. So, for whatever reason, uh the the CERN uh hydrocollider just flashed into my mind. I'd love to hear your thoughts on that and what it may maybe that is that anything like what you're working with? This is what I understand.

SPEAKER_00 39:27

Remember, I I come from a religious background, a Christian background. From what I've seen in CERN, there were certain um occultic practices. Uh, I would call them satanic practices that accompanied this this event in CERN. And that was quite disconcerting to me. That's wrong. And so, were were those occultic practices hand in hand with their intention with CERN? I don't know. I don't know, but that that's an aside. So let me get down to the meat and potatoes. What were they doing per se in in Switzerland? What was the point here? Were they trying to find a wormhole or were they trying to work with scattered energy, go into another dimension? I don't know. And I I think um I think there was a sub rosa uh character about that entire affair that that I don't think lay people like myself will ever be entitled to. I don't I don't know what they were up to, but um I am dubious about uh what I saw from the outside.

SPEAKER_02 40:30

I tend to be pretty dubious as well. And you know, people will kind of shuffle off those uh those rituals or whatever as like a prank here or a prank there or this or that. But it's like, why are they doing it? You know what I'm saying? Like it doesn't that that doesn't um yeah, that doesn't really give a whole lot of insight into why it's part of the whole thing. I just I it for whatever reason it flashed into my mind. It's not something I know a tremendous amount about, but I don't know. I've heard people speculate that it could have something to do with uh like the Mandela effect. Is that something that you're familiar with or have any insight into?

SPEAKER_00 41:05

Let me let me just use this broad expression, the Mandela effect, in which what used to be considered truth has now been altered in some effect now, uh as opposed to what we learned in the future. Is that what you're getting at?

SPEAKER_02 41:19

Kind of like yes, that there were these anomalies, uh, let's say, for instance, like the Bernstein versus the Bernstein bears, and like that we have transitioned into different reality uh or timelines uh as a result of some of these ideas, how certain things were spelled, uh, certain uh quotes in movies, etc.

SPEAKER_00 41:39

Okay, yeah. And I I I think there's there's validity to that because it it when we're looking at these expressions, they're subject to human interpretation. So our interpretation does change over time. And then you know, you can call that mass consciousness. What we considered to be true 20 years ago, we don't consider to be true now, or we we've had some type of altered version. Now, all of that, then you have to start saying to yourself, well, well, what was deemed to be true in the past is now questionable. So it's it's an endless discussion, but what is my point? If scalar energy is a force field that transcends time and space, then we see that the past is the present, and the present is the future, that everything is in the present moment now. So, where am I going with this? Everything as we perceive it right now is in the present moment in a scalar energy force field under our under our optics of the present moment. So the past 100 years ago is not past, it's how we perceive it in the present moment, and I I hold to that. So, what am I getting at? If if you're in a scalar energy force field, you could you could be in the you could be say in the Civil War 200 150 years ago, but still be in the present moment. I mean every moment of that, and I mean every expression of that, that we transcend time and space, and there is no division of time and space. So you could be a two two events simultaneously. That's quite profound.

SPEAKER_02 43:23

It's insanely profound, and it says a lot to the idea of past lives, uh dreams, etc., where I think a lot of people now, or friends of mine now who would uh talked about past lives and things are probably like, well, it's just perpendicular, it's all happening kind of all at the same time. It's all the one moment, it's all one thing. Uh, we just get we get the pleasure to separate things, I think. I try to look at it with a positive light because you know I think a lot of people are out there and they're like maybe feeling lonely or or helpless or whatever. They're like, I just don't feel like I belong. Long, where's my soul, fam? Or you know, I want this to, but it's but it's like I think we have to also really appreciate uh and take the time to experience, smell the roses, so to speak, this bizarre uh situation that we find ourselves in.

SPEAKER_00 44:16

Yeah, you're right. No, there's never a wasted moment. Today I looked at my productivity today in my lab, and although I had a few functions, it was a very meaningful day. And you have to say to yourself, today set up my my lifestyle five, 10, 20 years in the future as a researcher. So you you never you can never diminish any action that you take. And I I would encourage people just do the best you can. You have to keep in mind that so much of our work is cumulative and that whatever we do today will have uh will have a rebound effect five, 10 years down the down the road. I firmly believe that. Otherwise, I would have never kept at this for research for 40, 50 years. I see where this is going in 40 or 50 years. You just have to have confidence in yourself.

SPEAKER_02 45:08

Absolutely. Yeah, it's a it's a case cascade of an effect over time. But sometimes it doesn't seem like that in the moment, you know. As somebody who's an entrepreneur, I can promise you that I've had tried to do things and not gotten results in the amount of time that I had set goals for. And I guess this the second best thing than reaching a goal is not reaching it because that helps you figure out how to correct course and you know make that happen. But I love the idea that those just those do the best you can. Every little result, if that's five minutes today, if that's 10 minutes or 20 minutes or whatever that is today, just keep bumping that needle forward, bump it forward, bump it forward. And before you know it, you know, you've you've got a machine that you know uh can do amazing things at from a remote location all over uh for hundreds of thousands. I mean, how many people do you think you could treat through that thing?

SPEAKER_00 46:01

In a day, I could easily treat a 10 million people. That's insane. Yes. I I could in one day I could treat everybody in LA or Chicago. Oh my gosh. That's and you know, even though people don't realize that today, and even though you know, you this is all Tom, it's all theory. No, it's not theory. Today I treated I worked with half a million photographs today because people do semi collages. Where are we going? Well, eventually we're going to be working with five, 10 million people a day. It will it happen tomorrow? I don't think so. Will it eventually happen? Yes, because an intention never dies, a thought never dies. Okay, and as long as you keep to that intention, that thought, it it does manifest and it grows. It grows, it just keeps multiplying. It's the multiplier effect.

SPEAKER_02 46:51

Yeah, absolutely agree. Uh that's that's awesome too. It's like a persistence time, and it's so empowering to see that too, and to to hear that. I'm sure people out there are like, ah, yeah, absolutely. If you're listening to this podcast, just take a deep breath and relax and just appreciate that you've taken that time and you've put those those moments in and just stay the course.

SPEAKER_01 47:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 47:16

I I think people should give themselves more credit. I I see an incredible world of opportunity. I say this frequently, we're all geniuses, and you'll have this incredible opportunity to make an impact on the world, yourself immediately, and then your family. It doesn't mean you have to travel to a distant land. You can have such meaningful uh impact upon people around you. And if we we had eight billion people in the world doing that, it would be a different world. We just don't have everybody practicing that.

SPEAKER_02 47:44

Well, I think the results can be compounded pretty quickly, too. You know, not quite 8 million, but you know, like you said, in 1993, compared to now, how many more people are thinking in this way and who are looking into this? And there's a lot of weird corridors in the spiritual communities and new age and all that kind of stuff. But I think if you're looking around and asking the questions, then ultimately you're gonna be the only one who can answer them, anyways. So you begin that process, and ultimately you're gonna you're gonna find the truth uh in and inside yourself, right? Like, I'm so happy and encouraged to see so many people going down this path. I see it, I see people in comedy talking about this stuff on stage now.

SPEAKER_00 48:27

Yes, yeah. What was so esoteric 30 years ago and is now becoming mainstream, it's it's now becoming common. It's like this this is my dream. 30 years ago. Now, a lot of people ask me why. Were you the only one who continue on with the Hieronymus inventions? I said I was the only one who understood it. Now many people understand it. Now many people see the benefits. But 30 years ago, it was it was really backroom stuff. This this wasn't front and center, no doubt.

SPEAKER_02 48:57

Well, you know, uh many of the documentaries and things that I've seen when when people start talking about this stuff, or like even Raymond Reif, or even old uh documentaries that I've seen on like the Discovery Channel, where someone will, you know, take technology to make a very fuel efficient car. Well, you know, generally speaking, I think somebody somewhere in a uh in a suit comes in and they they they they buy that patent or they store it or hide it. Do you think that now is any different? Do you think that it's just too late to kind of put the the toothpaste back in the tube that a lot of this technology and these ideas are out? Uh, how do you feel about the future of this? Do you think people are gonna be upset?

SPEAKER_00 49:41

I think that uh scalar energy is too far down the road, that the the um the word is out. Many people realize that this is free energy, free energy from the sun and the stars, that Tessa was right. And you you you cannot you you cannot stop this movement, you cannot stop a thought. And when people see these great results that I'm having and other researchers are having, then you know they people stand up and they say, Well, we want to learn more. And I'll make this distinction Tessa did not have the internet a hundred years ago. I do. If Tessa would have had a means of mass distribution, a way of promulgating his work, he would have uh succeeded probably. He was ostracized. Today you can't ostracize ostracize people, not with social media, not with modern day mass communication.

SPEAKER_02 50:32

Nowadays, when people get ostracized, they usually blow up even bigger. I mean, look at like Andrew Tate or Scott Adams or whoever, you know. And in my mind, it's like okay, more division. I try not to pay attention to any of this stuff, but then all of a sudden they're the next thing, the next, you know, uh the next thing in the public consciousness, you know, that that that that people that everyone's talking about, like the controversy actually uh lights lights it up. But and I think that's an interesting thing. I don't know if that's just the internet, but I think it's definitely part of that scalability, you know, where we're just travel so fast now. Where exactly it's it's good luck.

SPEAKER_00 51:12

Yes, you're right. Yeah, yeah. As I said, we're we're no longer with the Pony Express. Now things travel instantaneously by our uh communication highway. So this is a fate accomplished. As far as I'm concerned, scalar energy, scalar research will be embraced by humanity. It's it's uh, I I just see this growing on a monthly basis, you know, month by month. People are becoming aware of this, and they're saying that there's validity here. You know, people see the results of my work. People read about other quantum researchers, scatter energy researchers, and they're saying, well, if if this is to be discounted, then why are these people having such great results? You can't discount good results.

SPEAKER_02 51:59

Yeah, absolutely. You can't, yeah. Effectiveness is that's that's proof in the pudding. So I guess we just encourage people. I'm definitely gonna try it. I'll send my picture, dude. I'm about to hang up and take a selfie. You know what I'm saying?

SPEAKER_00 52:13

Thank you for being open-minded. You know, let's face it, a hundred years ago, if you would have told somebody that you could speak remotely by way of a cell phone, they would say no, you you need a wire. Well, we see technology advancing, and uh, I realize what I've presented today is new, it's different, but Dr. Hieronymus, my predecessor, had great results. By the way, Dr. Hieronymus was awarded a US, a Canadian, and a British patent for his instruments. Wow. So those three governments acknowledge scalar energy in instrumentation. So this is valid. According to those three patent uh agencies, US and Canada and Great Britain, it's it's a valid science.

SPEAKER_02 52:56

Well, we all have seen what the CIA is interested in, all the documents and things being leaked, and all the different secret projects that they've done and all that. You know, we know that they know that there's validity to a lot of the things that we look into. And there's an old sci-fi quote, uh uh, I can't remember who the author was. Maybe it was Arthur C. Clark. I think it may have been. He said, any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. And I think that is right where you're standing, my friend.

SPEAKER_00 53:27

Yes, because people can't explain it. If they can explain it, then it becomes science. If they cannot explain something that it's magic, then it's you know, it's a sleight of hand. No, these this is not magic, this is an engineered instrument. This is I follow the laws of science. This instrument abides by and can control those forces of nature.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

It's beautiful too. Yeah, I I that's a that's a profound quote, you know, because like if like you said, if you took one of these and you, you know, you we went back 50 years and was like, you know, you'd be like, oh my gosh, you're you know, you're you're you're reading my mind, you're reading my thoughts. How are you communicating with uh with that device or whatever? But and here we are on the precipice of of something that works in a way that we can't we don't understand yet. But um, but that's that's part of the fun, I think. I think it's amazing what you're doing. And yeah, I want to commend you and and thank you again for coming to hang out and and talk with me today. It's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 54:26

Yeah, thank you for being open-minded. You know, I'll I'll put a feather in your cap. When people of your disposition are at least open-minded, you open up an entire field of possibility. When you slam the door shut, well, frankly, therein lies the impediment, but you have no impediment. So you're open, and that's a sign of intellectual curiosity. So thank you.

SPEAKER_02 54:51

Absolutely. And I know the folks that listen to this podcast will are also open, curious, and interested and uh and willing to try new things for sure. Like we've talked about all kinds of interesting ideas and topics on here, but what what I try to do is bring it back to what's practical, what can be helpful and usable in every single day life, and that's where we're at. So any any any tool that's gonna be helpful, any technology that's gonna be helpful, um, any idea, etc., you know, we're open to it and happy to embrace uh what you're doing. I just think it's awesome, and I really appreciate all the all the dedication and and hard work that you've put in. So thank you. And um, yeah, everybody.

SPEAKER_00 55:34

I acknowledge your comment. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_02 55:36

Awesome, awesome. Yeah, so I think we had a little lag there, but I'll tell everybody uh I've got all your uh details in the description below, and uh, encourage everybody to go and get your 15 days on and uh let your friends know. Let's start talking about it. We'll start a whispering campaign about uh scalar energy as uh several of the other uh ideas and kind of start to cross-pollinate and in time there's a cascading effect. It's very cool. And uh yeah, I may put you in touch with a friend of mine who's talked about this. I've heard him mention it, and uh it was I had no idea what he was what he was talking about at the time, but I was like, yeah, sure. And and so uh since we've talked about it, I I I think that's really cool. And maybe you guys could uh talk about it as well. I'm on another podcast called Chrono Chronicles, uh, which it may be cool to have you come and and hang out on that, because that talks a lot about the idea of time being basically a construct, not anything really real at all. That we are time travelers, us all, each and every one of us. And uh so maybe we could hook up something like that. Uh, but I just want to thank you again for for coming up today.

SPEAKER_00 56:45

My my pleasure. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02 56:47

Thank you, Tom. Yeah, everybody go and check it out, and we'll see you next time. Peace, everybody.