Reality Transurfing with Bootsy Greenwood
Reality Transurfing with Bootsy Greenwood is the practical, no-guru take on Vadim Zeland's Reality Transurfing. Pendulums, slides, reducing importance, choosing your reality - the big ideas, broken into stuff you can actually use, with humor and zero fluff. New episodes every Wednesday.
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Welcome to Blue Collor Mystics. The under-the-hood approach to the depths of human consciousness. So many mysteries, so little time, so many big words. That's why we aim to take the mystical and make it practical, usable in your everyday life. And you know, we want to hear from you. We want to hear your story. What happened when you started asking yourself the real questions? Like, who am I? What is this? Is it a hologram? Is this some kind of weird cosmic joke? Hey, these are the questions that we are trying to get to the bottom of as we explore the final rabbit hole together. Here as Blue Collar Mystics. Welcome to the show, Blue Collar Mystics, where you know sounds like somebody who's doing yoga on a tractor. I don't know, but we're happy to be here. We're stoked that you guys are here. I thought we'd do a little bit of uh smush of an episode and talk about a couple of things that James and I both are pretty um, I guess, well researched in and that we know a little bit about, and kind of smush those things together, being story and the trans surfing then. The people all the time are like, when are you gonna do trans surfing? Talk about transurfing. I get it all the time, it's the most requested thing, and that's fine. There's so many great models out there, and I think what they're ultimately all getting at is the story that we tell ourselves because we're not just speaking in stories, we're also interpreting through our own stories as well, and there's a lot going on. So I thought we would talk a little bit about this, and you know, as right as people who write writers, I think everybody's kind of a writer in a way. At least we should, you know, try to get get our thoughts out. I highly encourage that, and I thought this would be a good uh chance for us to talk about the idea of sort of the structure of story, what that is, what it means. We've talked about some of this stuff before, but even through the frame of the idea of transurfing or manifesting or law of attraction or whatever your flavor is. For me, I like the transurfing book. It just laid stuff out just point by point so very well. And uh, I shared it with James actually. Well, it's been a couple of years now, something like that, right? It's uh three years now.
SPEAKER_03Holy cow, holy cow. That's the time vibe doesn't even seem like it.
SPEAKER_01It really doesn't. And so you know, he was like, Man, should I really spend 50 bucks on this book?
SPEAKER_03Well, you know what it was, is like you gave me the uh the audio, and I within, you know, as soon as I got past the uh uh the uh this the second chapter there with uh pendulums, I was like, oh I need I need to read this. I can't listen to this. I need to read this. And uh so I listened to the whole book in two football Sundays, and uh and was like, all right, I gotta I gotta get this thing down. I have to read this, I have to be in my hand. And you know, it's like you know, there is a I I don't even remember where I heard this. You um you remember it's it's something to the effect of you remember what you hear or you you uh oh man, I can't even I have I had the quote written down someplace too. Damn it. I just take your time, man.
SPEAKER_01Take your time with it, you know, let it let it come up. It's okay.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, if you get what you hear, you remember what you see, and you know what you live. And to me, when you have a book in your hand, it's an experience. It isn't something you it's something it's something that you're actually living and and feeling as an all-encompassing feeling with a book in your hand. Um, you know, it's like when you're listening, it's like for me, it's like I always feel like when I listen to a podcast or when I listen to a book on tape, I'm almost taking emotional notes for what I have to read later on in real time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, man, I love that. I think that's so true. There's something about experiencing something that's it's I mean, it just is different. I I heard even stories that Einstein would be frustrated, you know, because he they'd be out sailing and his kid didn't understand the things that they were teaching them in physics class, but he couldn't apply them, you know, in on the ship, on the boat. It's like his frustration. And I am a big fan of experiential education too, because I think we all find certain ways that really work for us, you know. It's like it's it's it's trying things out, it's being an actual scientist because we are scientists, we're here testing reality and seeing what happens and taking the evidence from that and drawing new conclusions, and and that is how we're crafting our own story about how we're interacting with the world, how it interacts with us. Are we a victim to it? Are we uh, you know, dominating it, you know, uh are we uh you know gliding along with it? And so, like the idea of trans surfing is to go like nature with the least amount of resistance, right? It's like it's not no resistance, there's gonna be resistance, there's gonna be challenges, those things are gonna happen. But how do you how do you react to those? On on sort of one level, you've got if you react to those in a negative way and start getting angry, now you lose control. Ultimately, story is about control at the beginning of every story. There starts a a main person, a protagonist, somebody that we get to know, and they certainly have a flaw, they have some sort of a blind spot, and they're trying to get control. Control, and that's the struggle throughout the whole rest of the movie. And we can talk about those parts, and and I think we will disassemble the structure because I think it's really helpful. It's like which came first, the chicken or the egg, fact or fiction? They're the same thing. The mirror reflects as above, so below, you know, uh, whatever you broadcast is reflected back at you. All these metaphors and ideas, it's all wrapped up in there with this idea of story, of narrative, and uh, and yeah, I'm giving stuff away in the chat. I feel like I feel a little like Oprah, uh, which is fun. I need to find I I want to give more stuff away. I'm gonna find some other stuff to give away too, guys.
SPEAKER_03So you know, it's a uh you said something about you know the protagonist is flawed, unless you're Michael Corleone, and then you start off right and you end up broken. Sometimes the art goes in the other direction, yeah. He had his brother killed, his daughter was murdered, all these things, and his whole life had fallen apart. And he started as like the soldier who was a goody two shoes and didn't be part of the family business, you know. And uh, so sometimes the story can go the opposite direction, which you know, and in this context, we sure hope it doesn't.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, absolutely. We sure hope it doesn't, of course, but like it can. Like, don't that's why I think it's like don't judge because like that person out there who just completely came unraveled and lost everything that they had and just went down the fucking shitter, you know, for lack of a better way to say it, whatever. That could that could be you, man. They say in the church, you know, if not for the grace of God, that's that's me. And and I I've always understood that because all you have to do is just you know completely disregard and just go down that downward spiral with negative thinking.
SPEAKER_03Everybody is one one furnace, one car, you know, blown engine, or or one uh one revenue stream away from you know being homeless, you know, if if they don't have a really good plan. So, you know, it definitely uh you know, in life, and not to say that any of that stuff is bad, because you know, some of the the darkest moments have brought the most light. And uh, you know, you but you have to be able to process it and understand, you know, and I always like to say it's happening for you, not to you. Yeah, you know, it's like and in and and sometimes that might be taken as being naive or top toxic positivity, but unless you change your perspective on on things, you you know, you're gonna just still be the victim. And so you have to, you know, you have to at least reframe it. And uh, but you know, yeah, usually you don't learn in comfort. No, you don't. Um it takes some, you know, losing someone you love or or losing a job or you know, losing a goal or losing something to uh understand the power of change and understand like if you you know you just lost this very important thing to you, and and if you don't change, then uh you know it's not gonna get any better. You you're you're the common denominator to your pain and suffering.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, we're all changing. I mean, that is really the only thing uh that is that stays the same, right? It's so such a cliche or whatever, but it is true. I'm gonna share my screen here because I'm excited about kind of relating this, you know. We need to look at ourselves a little bit as this character. No, we not that we don't already, right? Like everyone kind of does. We see ourselves in the center of our own film. But the idea of, you know, just kind of where we begin, what happens, and uh the the change is demonstrated in the I don't know why it's pulled up kung fu panda, but like but the but the beginning is you know, here I am, uh, and something's missing. I want something more, you know, something kicks off at the beginning of any one of our forays into adventure, and uh, and then we start to have uh a group of people kind of assemble here and act in in the in the second part. I need to be doing it over here to for it to translate me. Uh a group of people kind of form here, and then up here uh we kind of get the thing that we set out for, but we understand that it has maybe some unintended consequences, and we're forced to uh to reconsider if it's something that we want. It's kind of like you were saying before, it's like you could go backwards, right? Like you could absolutely, you know, devolve as a character and go down, you know, or what we would consider to be down, you know, not rise up to that next uh uh challenge. But but we we are all in one of these phases during our story, you know. If we're at the beginning here where we're like about to start out on a new journey, you know, think about it for yourself. Like, where are you at? Are you starting out on a new journey? Are you uh you know encountering conflict along toward your goal? Are you at the point where you're wanting to give up? That's the fourth part. And then the fifth part is that big decision where you continue to barrel through, uh, even though it's difficult. And uh, and that's that's where that's where it's or you you know, like my dinner with Andre or whatever, you you know, go back home and you go kind of back into your sort of cocoon, if you will. Um, and uh yeah, I don't know. I that's one of the structures. There's a lot of them. I really love Dan Harmon's structure a lot. The uh I'll see if I can find that actually as well. Is that Rick and Morty? Yeah, that's the Rick and Morty guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, basically he took the hero's journey, which is also synonymous with this stuff. Um, this but he does the story circle, and uh I really like the the five the five uh you know act structure, but we've got his stuff right here. Yeah, here we go. I'll even pull up the Rick and Morty graphic for us. So hang on. All right, I just need to do this. Oh, nope, this.
SPEAKER_03Okay, there we go. I've also always liked the uh uh synth uh uh thesis, anti-thesis, synthesis. Uh-huh. So it's like where where you begin, where where you're where you're going, which is against you know and uncomfortable to where you were, and uh, and then you know, pulling pulling that together to make the decision against your character or against what everyone thinks your character is.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can look that up too. Yeah, but here's the um here's the story wheel. It's the simple, it's the simplified version of the hero's journey, basically. And Dan Harman would say if a story doesn't follow the structure, it's not a story. I think uh Jeff Lyons would probably agree with that because he talked a lot about situation versus story, you know. Um, but yeah, kind of going through back through that the five-part thing, you know, you're in a zone of comfort, but you want something, and an unfamiliar situation arises, you have to adapt, get what you want, but you pay a heavy price, return to the familiar situation having changed. That's the basic gist, the basic outline there. But yeah, that's so dope. He did such a great job of just taking that. There's all these articles you can actually find. Um, that that where he takes the hero's journey and simplifies it and distills it down. I'll see if I can't find those as well. Let me hop out over and do that real quick. But yeah, I'll find that synthesis as well.
SPEAKER_03I mean, essentially that's just uh um uh thesis, antithesis synthesis is just a a a very simplified version of that wheel you just showed.
SPEAKER_01Which is great. Um big fan of that. The the simpler the better, I feel like. So I I can find a lot of different graphics, but they're not popping up high. Hang on. Let's see what I can do here. Dialectic of the progression of ideas. Um this is also Hegel, if I'm not mistaken. Does that seem right? Dialectic progression of ideas.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, totally. I mean it's what every time you come up with a new discovery, it's it it is a synthesis of things that you haven't addressed yet, right? And so you know what you know, and then new information comes, and then you have to synthesize the old with the new to create whatever it is you're creating. So it's definitely uh that's a neat little graphic. I like the the two twisted together.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, I mean, and that's that's how all stories are sewn, you know. Uh yeah, we could look at we could look at this uh th from a number of different angles and lenses. But I wanted to talk a little bit about specifically, you know, the transurfing idea and how it it talks about this, because basically what it does and what any methodology really does is it it arms you with a way to retell your story, to basically take the story that maybe hasn't been so positive for you and apply it to you so that it is more positive, right? Like as you know, the the law of mentalism you talk a lot about. Really, it's about okay, so my friend Lehman said this one time, and it always stuck with me. I I really loved this. He said, if I want to shave my face, I don't put the razor blade up on the mirror, you know, and really the idea of you know where the cause begins and ultimately the the effect in the exterior world, really illustrating that mirror principle, you know, the idea of transurfing. And I want to try to boil that I the idea of transurfing down to that.
SPEAKER_03I mean, her that also goes back to Hermeticism, is you are the cause point, right? It's you have to make all these decisions and you're in a in a feedback loop, whatever, you know, what of whatever inputs that you're given value to. You know, and that's the thing, is uh we are um a probability processing machine, right? It's like we're just processing all this data and all these variables and coming to safe conclusions, and they're not necessarily right conclusions. They're coping, you know, they're coping through things that uh that we necessarily aren't comfortable with or or don't agree with or scared of, but we're giving it value still. Um and that's where, you know, in transurfing, when I really believe one of the most important things in the transurfing game is inner guardian. It's being fully aware of where you're at with things emotionally and and what those outputs are. Because the inputs, you know, you don't necessarily have control over. It's the output that you command, right? And so um being aware of that, of that output allows you to literally make the choices that create the story as if you were watching one. Because that character that you're you know that is a model for the um metaphor of the unknown, is literally making it a choice, and you're making the choice all the time, and that's another transverse trans surfing concept is yes, you're literally in charge of those choices, and you have to be conscious of the choices you're making in every moment, and and uh that's where the story comes in, really, because ultimately the protagonist is making a series of choices that are uncomfortable in this new anti-thesis from the from the old world, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and they're affecting the story, right? Like they're they're taking something into their own hands, usually, unless it's a situation. If it's a story, they are. If it's a situation, or at least by Jeff Lyons' definition, which I I grew I agree with, um, then you know, maybe they're not like a situation we could talk about real quick, would just be, you know, like a Godzilla kind of scenario, or like a haunted movie or something like that. That that's there's no plot, there's no character development. That's not really a story in that sense.
SPEAKER_03But there's got to get away, gotta get away from danger.
SPEAKER_01Something happened to us, right?
SPEAKER_03It's a passive and tag or that passive protagonist at that point. Doesn't matter if they shoot everybody in the room or save the girl or any of that. The protagonist is passive because they're not really making choices based on uh an arc or a change, they're just responding, responding, responding. And that's what we get caught in really in life is that loop where we're just not we're not paying attention to our choices, we're an autopilot responding, right?
SPEAKER_01Exactly. Well, that's why presence is important, you know. I remember I and I think like so many people in the self-help movement, they just would want to rub presence on everything, like just be present and it'll fix itself.
SPEAKER_00You just be a compliant little, you know, uh robot, and everything will work out just to you how you want, you know.
SPEAKER_03But you get presence deodorant, right? Yeah. Just gotta just put it on there and get rid of all that stink, right?
SPEAKER_01But yeah, I mean, I I presence is important, absolutely. I'm not trying to, you know, downplay that, but the but I think the big reason why, the big takeaway is not just, oh, well, just you know, don't worry about it and just be a passive observer through life. It's not about that. We want to be active observers, we want to create reality, that's what we're here for. And so if we can be present, then we can have that presence of mind, like you're talking about the inner guardian. What up, Abby? What up, everybody in the chat? T hee he's oh man, I I just got I just I just got over to the chat. Uh it looks great. Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna we're gonna did you ever read uh did you ever read Tufty, James?
SPEAKER_03I actually never never got into that, but um it's uh I mean I was reading so many books when that got introduced to me.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, fair enough. Yeah. Well, so the metaphor that you're talking about is is is a lot about like he he really alludes to it in reality transurfing, but in in Tufty, she out flat out fucking says it. Like you're a you're a character in a film movie archive of infinite film roles, and that's what she's talking about throughout that movie. That's a whole metaphor. So in transurfing, it's like you know, you have infinite, infinite timelines. In that, it's like infinite film roles and being that character. And so that presence is really what allows us to create reality as opposed to being that passive observer. So what she says is we amount to being snails, that we're not aware, that we're just we just react to whatever happens to us when in reality we should be aware, conscious, you know, beings being present and creating our own reality, you know, with that whole um with with with that presence, like maintaining and creating that presence. Uh, and one of the Things that she says too in that book is that all these things are not happening to us that we can't see that it's actually for our benefit yet.
SPEAKER_03We just can't just like the story, just like the protagonist doesn't know.
SPEAKER_01Exactly, exactly, just like the protagonist. Yes. The protagonist doesn't know. He thinks the sky is falling. It's that fourth act. That's the dark night of the soul. Uh, and that's why I like that five-act uh sort of structure because it really shows you like the beginning of this person who's kind of you know, just regular. We see who they are, right? Like if it's the big Lebowski, he's buying milk with a check, you know. We see who they are at the beginning, and then something, you know, something has to happen throughout that whole arc. And they there becomes a gang and there becomes a common shared goal, and then you know, it seems like the goal is gonna get accomplished, and then their hopes are dashed, and now the character is all is it even worth doing anymore? You know, second guessing himself, they're hot or cold, they're lukewarm, they're not sure. And then they either, you know, evolve at the end of the movie and become and change. Well, they change either way, but they either change for the positive of what we think Hollywood positive happy ending, or they change negative toward that, you know, uh devolution kind of thing as well.
SPEAKER_03You know, it's uh uh you know, back to the it's happening for you and not to you type of thing, too. It's like, and I use this my own story to iterate that all the time because when when you hear just the the outline of the story, you can you know that there is trouble and tribulate trial and tribulation through it. And you know, if it wasn't for my house, the house I lived in burning down on Christmas and losing a business and losing my girlfriend at the time to um to drugs, I wouldn't have made room in my life for the life that I have now. And so, you know, I you know could have but stayed in a toxic relationship, stayed in a house that I shouldn't have been in, and staying in a business that I shouldn't have had no business being in, right? And and because they they were you know sort of working or comfortable, and then having it all swipped up, swept like just pulled from under me like a rug all at once. Um, you know, it was painful, but it literally brought me to where I really wanted to go. And uh, and but the universe doesn't just like give you things, it makes you take a journey, right? And and um, you know, there was a lot of pain and suffering at my own negative feedback, but eventually it did make room for exactly what I truly did want, and which was being a filmmaker, being a musician, having a real impact on people's lives, and uh, but it couldn't happen without that drastic, horrible change that seemed uh unfavorable at the time.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, dude, I mean that's the thing about it. So we're kind of trying to resolve these things because it's real easy in the new age world to just sort of live in like woo-woo fairy land, everything is great, and yes, just be present and it's all happening for your good, you know, and then just get on the train, yeah. Don't even worry about it. It's you know, and versus you know, uh, you know, having having real challenges to overcome, real uh adversity to to face, real true growth. And you know, we want to sit down and just manifest the stuff out of thin air and make it so easy, but sometimes the pain is what makes it worth it, and uh, or at least it's been that way in my experience, look, especially looking back, you don't realize it at the time, like you were saying, but I think that's what these books are trying to basically say, right? Like that everything really is happening to your advantage, and the more that you can because in those difficult times, too. I think the way that we react, and Janine uh kind of planted this seed in my head. She's like, however, you respond in those times, that's the anchor, that's the timeline anchoring that you're doing. Yeah, yeah. That's so bam, this crazy shit happens to you. This train wreck, because train wrecks still happen, you know, there's gonna be weird things that you did not account for or expect, always gonna happen. And so we have to have responsibility for ourselves and how we how we manage those situations. The better we manage those situations, I think the better that trajectory gets for that character. And it might even be similar to what it would have been with a bad attitude, but also I think you open up better experiences and you get to ex and and you get to really have you know depth and range in in your in your moment, whatever that is, and really you get to absorb that whenever you uh can kind of appreciate being in that moment right now. It's like, okay, I'm in this sort of fourth phase, you know, fourth act in a way, uh, of something where I've been working at it and doing pretty good, and all these things have happened, and then you know, it's but but it's kind of drudgery, it's kind of that dark night of the soul time. If you can have that presence of mind to push through that, well, instead of being whipped by the story and now you're you've devolved, let's say you got beat by the dragon or whatever, then that can help you have the resolve and really actually enjoy the experience because like you take those notes and kind of when we get to the end of this whole idea, spoiler alert, bringing the story back to people and talking about what happened to you and what your experience was. That's really the gift when it comes all back full circle. You know, it's a way to help somebody else save them time, keep them from having to learn the same lesson that you've had to learn, you know, and uh and that's a that that's really powerful right there. But I think it's so that's really what these books are trying to tell us. Not that it's gonna be, you know, challengeless that we're just gonna walk, wake up one day and all of a sudden it's just gonna be easy. Like it's not gonna be easy.
SPEAKER_03That's not what, that's not what it's never, it's never gonna be easy. In fact, right when you get it, a new a new tragedy is going to uh you know, a perceived tragedy is going to um step in in the way and and challenge what you think you you've grown or known to grow. It's like the universe is gonna keep meeting you wherever, you know, wherever you've grown to, to keep challenging, you know, your assumptions. And it should always be challenging your assumptions and testing them, you know, and so you know, you know, also too is you um, you know, the more you grow, you grow a new perspective. And you know, it's like uh in the Enneagram, right? Is I really started in a seven, but I uh I feel like uh I've really got moved more into a five at this stage, you know, and so um I feel like and that but the seven where I was at when I learned what it was, it was the most powerful tool that I learned about myself, and and now it's like uh from a new perspective of that five, um I have to learn that five's perspective because you keep it, you can change throughout your life because you're gonna continuously have a synthesis of experience and knowledge.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, absolutely. And we'll just throw this up here just because not trying to switch subjects on people, but it's a very valuable tool. And if it's not something that you're familiar with, um, it's something that we both are huge advocates of for using for self-understanding is the the Enneagram, as well, ironically enough, as for story, because you can plug in your character to this model and it will tell you pretty much everything you need to know about that character, even and up to and including the antagonist of that character, what the straight of what they don't like, what they do like, what their motivation is.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, the motivations and the the um the evolution and de evolution of a character, too. It's all it's all correct, you know, it's all right there easily. And that's that's where um actually my story and a screenplay that I've written really took a change, is when I applied this concept to it. And then I I learned what a seven was, and I learned that I was a seven, and uh, and then the growth just exploded at that point because I what I really learned was is I'm the life of the party because I'd like to have fun to hide for the pain, and I didn't realize that ever. And I needed to read that to realize um the behavior, but and that's the seat. One of the big secrets is stepping into the pain. And once you step into that pain and you realize that your mind was telling you it was more painful than the actual pain that you you live, um, yeah, and then you just end up getting more things done. But yeah, you know, I do feel that the enneagram falls directly into story, and and uh it's a it's a magnificent tool.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it really is. It's helped me to understand myself uh at a much, much better level in a healthier way, so that I know, you know, when I need to communicate certain things that I thought people just knew intuitively before, right? So it's been incredibly helpful for me through for that. Like I say it, I've probably said this too many times, but it's like we think that we put ourselves in other people's shoes, but we put our own disposition in their shoes, so we're not really in their shoes, we're in our shoes and their shoes, our filters through their shoes. This is how I feel if I was in their if I was living their life, exactly. So, you know, it's really helpful for that because you can find out it's like love languages, for instance. Like, if you when you just find out about that, if you're dating somebody and you find out that they have a different love language, you're like, oh, well, all of this other stuff makes sense. This makes absolute sense. And through the Enneagram, I think is this is something that should be taught in school. It's like it's a psychological tool, it's a spiritual tool, you know, it's uh so powerful, yet so I don't, you know, I don't want to say so it's simple, but you could study it for your whole life. It's there's just so much depth to it. But anyway, I'll just uh I'll tap the brakes on that. But yeah, we want to get we want to get you guys in here. Let me see if I can uh get a link going. If anybody, anybody wants to come in here, let's hear from you, uh, your story, what is popping, how you interpret this stuff. I really like um I really like talking about it, and I like this filter through it, you know, to think about story and how you kind of resolve how you resolve challenge to with with manifestation, right? Because that those challenges are they're not going, at least in my experience, you know, maybe I'm doing something wrong, but those challenges have really not gone away. Well, you can the way that I deal with those challenges has changed, right? Yeah, it's not that the mountain has it it it it really gone away or anything, I just have a a different uh sort of attack plan.
SPEAKER_03The older you get, you take responsibility because basically, mostly through your 20s and 30s, you learn through folly, right? And then eventually you take responsibility for your learning preference. It's like I don't want to learn through pain, I want to learn through preemptive, and so you to start taking the time to read about yourself or read about life or read about marketing or read about whatever your biggest challenge is to where you're trying to go. It's it's education in another way, self-educating.
SPEAKER_01How to how to ask the right questions and challenge ourselves in the right ways. What are what are your thoughts on that?
SPEAKER_03I mean, uh, you know, they got the Socratic method. I've always I I coined the term the auto Socratic method. Ultimately, I've I I've always intuitively known but really agree with now that um all the answers are inside of you. And so and the more that you look outside of yourself for for the true answers, the more that you're discrediting your position. And and uh you have to ask yourself the right questions and be honest with those answers, right? And so self-deception, there's people talk about I don't like liars, but most people lie to themselves more than anyone lies to them, you know, and uh and so it comes down to asking those right questions and then being honest with your answers with yourself, and when you and you know, a lot of that comes through um a practice, meditation, or you know, uh exercise and and being in because it takes being in a a physically and mentally right spot to to not lie to yourself, right? And so you gotta have things that keep your body moving and your mind still still, and once you can hit those states, so much stuff happens and that you can't even explain, you know. And for instance, I I um I'm not an engineer, but I actually designed a vending machine once, right? And I didn't study to get the answer, but one day that answer just popped into my head. I was driving down the road, not thinking, my mind was still, and then the answer just dropped in right on me. And they didn't get it from a book, it didn't get it from anywhere, the answer just appeared. And I feel like a lot of scientists and a lot of people who are are thinkers know this. Get to a point where like that, like you know, if you've created something that's never been created before, and you're having original thought, and that that will drop in the more comfortable you are, the more their mind is still. And uh and and you don't you're not gonna get that from somebody else, you're gonna get that from you, right? And and you know, back in before 1950, um all the doctors didn't have PhDs, they were just self-studied, you know, like they they um they were scientists, like it wasn't uh you know the PhD is a fairly new thing.
SPEAKER_01That doesn't surprise me. I'm not I'm not at all shocked to hear that. Well, I think you know, it comes back to the idea that we we interpret too through story, right? Like we have a story that we filter everything back through. So a story is being told to us, it's our innate language to speak in this way, and we can tell when it's being done. What's funny about it is it's it's so it's it is so innate, but like there's so much to it, there's so much range and depth to it that to where you can really study it and really understand all the nuances and components and all that kind of stuff. But we know when it's a good story and we know when it's not a good story, it's really freaking obvious, and that's how people, you know, it's like the person who can't tell a story, you know, and it's like, and then I found a dollar, you know, or like whatever, you know, people just add that tag because they weren't their story was shit, you know, they just got roasted. But it's because we know, you know, but we're also okay.
SPEAKER_03Abby asked me to repeat that. I was like, I said something to the the effect of you have to still still the mind and move the body, yeah. Um, and and that just gets you to into a a state of equilibrium, essentially. Um, because essentially what happens is we're in our mind all the time, and we got this problem, that problem, blah blah blah blah. And we're we live uh uh in this day and age with all the stimuli and everything delivered in this, we live in a very sedentary lifestyle, right? And so, you know, we're made to hunt and gather and travel and move, and then we slow our our bodies down, and you know, and and we're not in a state of equilibrium. And that state of equilibrium, when we're out of it, the the more that we become out of touch with our inner self, and then that's where especially where a lot of these quote unquote bad things begin to happen, but ultimately what are they doing? They're we're creating our own misery to bring us to a point where we know we have to change, right? And so uh as most people get to a point of disease or or or discomfort before they you know they start to um get to a point where where they're like, well, maybe it's me, because it's easy to just blame all kinds of things outside of you, but in the end, we're the common denominator of all of our decisions, and sometimes that it comes back down to choices. Strandserving again is my choice is to sit here today and feel sorry for myself, so I'll be in my mind and I won't be moving, and and that's exactly where that um we're taken out of that equilibrium, and then you know, again, we're not in our power, and we're not in our power, we look for everything outside of us to kind of help us get there, and really it's all within our reach all the time.
SPEAKER_01So uh Gord is asking, was your vending machine idea proof of the eternity archive that everything already exists in the information structure and you downloaded the idea?
SPEAKER_03I mean, I like I don't like the uh the uh concept of downloading because that definitely says something outside of you. I mean, I kind of I kind of operate for the thing that it's all all I'm a sliver of everything, right? And so um it's where I'm here to to create in a in a micro macro type of uh space. We we and uh and so yeah, I don't know if as much as downloading, but absorbing or becoming aware of, being on the vibration of, um, you know, uh uh becoming in resonance with something. It's like ultimately speaking, discovering, right? Yeah, yeah. Ultimately speaking, is uh when you know, it's like you write a business plan, right? And you're like, I'm gonna be in business. And you start writing this business plan. What are you actually doing? You're be you're on a vibration, you're thinking about these things, you're imagining all the possibilities of this thing you want to create. And eventually you're creating through that vibration, you're getting in resonance with stuff that's already there, and you know, just that version of yourself on that timeline versus um, you know, the worst version of yourself working working in a factory someplace, being miserable, right? It's like the where are you taking your your thought process and and uh and for this particular journey that you chose. Um, you know, it's like we're we're all kind of I you know I you're getting deep into philosophy, you know. It's like I I kind of believe that I chose this particular meat bag for this journey, and and uh I'm tuning into all the possibilities and life and what do they they call them lifelines and transurfing? Yeah, yeah, lifelines. Yeah, I'm a little uh uh I'm a little I know the concepts, but I've lost some of the vocabulary. Um, but yeah, you're you're getting into a vibrational alignment with with the possibilities of everything. And you can't think of everything and you can't be part of everything, but uh everything is there, and uh and and once you get into that vibration, yeah, you could call it whatever too. It's a lack of semantics, it's you could call it downloading resonation.
SPEAKER_01It's all the same, it's all the same, but how do you choose to how do you choose to define it? And what is your story about it, right? Like your story is you know the way that you experience this, somebody else might have a different way, and a lot of you know, like I think that downloading is a common thing that people say, you know, in the movement or what have you, but but yeah, like I like the idea too of you know that ultimate access exists. So, in essence, you know, saying that that there is some sort of infinite archive, and there's even a book that I have on the shelf. Uh it's called Sparks of Genius. I think everyone in MIT has to read it, but they talk about creativity as well in there, and they talk about that space because that space of qual that doesn't come from active thinking, like discoveries don't come from you know, from you know, like lab tests or like actively thinking about a certain thing. They come in those moments, they just kind of you know, they just flash into your consciousness, into your awareness, as opposed to, I mean, you kind of got to work for it too. I mean, I got that there's that aspect of it too, the creative aspect. And there's a dance there, but like that's what they say so much in that book is that the ideas themselves, you know, it's like Norm McDonald's joke was always like, Where do you get your ideas from?
SPEAKER_03You know, well, I mean, that's I was actually that was on the tip of my tongue. I was waiting for you to finish. When you say I'm thinking, who's saying that statement? And who how are you taking ownership in this vessel for something that's probably not even happening directly inside of you? Um, you know, it's like we are uh there there is so we are just a big conglomerate of energy and vibration, right? And so is all of this and and getting into attunement, alignment, downloading it, whatever you want to say. But you know, it's like um for instance, you know, and it could even take the sonic portal uh for you know I'm not the first person to play with gongs and and I eventually just created this spaceship, right? It's like I they were sort of active thoughts, but they were also like shots of inspiration and spark that literally led me through a decade of journeys and and adventures, right? And so when when I could go back and say, Oh, I thought of using the icosahedon structure and I thought of this and I thought of that, but ultimately did I because they just happened, right? Like and I Just um reached out and kind of grabbed those handles and uh and you know and and and so it really comes down to I mean if you want to own your thoughts, sure. But I mean there's there's parts of me that uh I've seen such uh magical moments in my life where um you know I feel like you know you call it a higher self or your soul or whatever God, any kind of you know, whatever you um word you want to attach to it, but ultimately, you know, like we're just leading this journey of the unknown, right? And and the more that you're gonna give your focus, and I you know, I say this all the time too: your emotions, the power behind your magic, your mat your magic is your imagination, and your focus is where that magic happens, right? And so what you're giving focus and attention to is exactly where your creations and things are gonna come, and you're gonna get tools, whether they're downloads or or assumptions or whatever, that are gonna allow you to keep creating, right? And and that's where that thing comes. And so the more that we're consuming other people's shit in this day and age, the less that we're getting in touch with and in tune with our potentiality. And and you know, it's like I can sometimes I can feel a shift on a lifeline, or all of a sudden it's like you know, bing, everything just started. What do they call it? The wave of fortune, where this everything just works correctly because now you're like you're basically in resonation on the journey of where you're supposed to be going.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, it's a big challenge to you know, to kind of guard your mind and not for me at least it is, and not like listen because there's so much information out there, there's so much shit, and it's mostly people just covering the same thing, you know, in their own different way, you know, and you can just kind of get lost in there as uh as much as it's that's the whole point, right? Like it's so easy to just uh it's so easy to get lost in there. I love what Virginia says here. She says it's about unlocking your own doors that you created, but you have to see the door, and what's behind it is a mystery. And most people are afraid of the unknown and they don't bother. And so, yeah, back to this idea of story, right? Like the descent into the unknown, right? If I was to pull up the hero's journey, that's exactly what happens, right? On in the circle, back to that wheel, Dan Harmon's wheel. But you know, in the longer form of it is the the hero's journey, and it's the descent into the unknown and in and then into the abyss, the uncertain. And that's what I think most people are afraid of. I'm I'm afraid of it too. And it's like you don't know what you don't know yet, right? Like that's a real cliche to say, but you don't know what's coming, like it's gonna be some shit that you did not expect. You're you you know, it's it's one thing to sit here and be like, all right, well, I'm gonna do this thing, and I know there's gonna be challenges or whatever, and and there will be, but even even then you can't really understand. Maybe that's why sort of the metaphor of the dragon is something that's so pervasive over time, is because it's something that you can't even really conjure up in your own mental, you know, realm of the sort of next aspect of that adventure and the and and and the unfolding of it, because it's gonna be a surprise no matter what.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I mean, otherwise, what what the hell are you doing any of this for if you're not gonna surprise yourself through the process, right? It's like um if you knew everything that was gonna happen in your life, like um, you know, I've seen Caddyshack a hundred times. I know it's gonna happen in each of those things, and and I'm fine with a lot of it, but it's not a surprise, right? And and that's what the story is, is this adventure of of um you know unfoldment. And and there's gotta be conflict in a story to make a story uh even interesting, right? I was just explaining this um with my uh my stepfather the other day. We were talking about movies and story. If you and me decide that we're gonna go to the to the we're gonna cook a meal today, and we go to the grocery store and we get in the car, and everything the ride is perfect, and the time in the grocery store is perfect, and then every the ride home is perfect, the meal's perfect, everything's perfect. Where's your fucking story? There is none. So uh, but if we went out and we lost our wallet and the tire got a flat tire, and you know, someone tried to rob us and they didn't have what we wanted, and we had to go to a bunch of different places, and then we finally get home, and against all odds, we cook a great meal for the birthday meal for our old grandmother who's coming to dinner. Well, that's a story, and so we both have the same thing that happened. We went out and bought some shit and cooked the meal, right? But it's the conflict that creates it and makes it interesting, and it's like nobody would watch the movie where everything worked, right? Nobody cares. Why would they care?
SPEAKER_01Why would they care?
SPEAKER_03They wouldn't I cooked a meal and it worked, it was great. It was what you call routine and business as usual, right? Yeah, it's the break of the hypnotic rhythm and the conflict and the involvement of against all odds that makes something interesting. And you could write that screenplay of you know, having to you know make a birthday meal for someone and the whole thing going haywire, right? But it would have to be a lot of conflict, and and so when you look at that, that's a model, like a story is a metaphor for the unknown. That's a model for for life, right? And like, um, nobody cares if things are working right in this business as usual. It's it's not, you know, it's not news, no, and it's just minutia. And you know, it's like you can brush your teeth a thousand times, you're gonna only remember the one where the one time that one thing didn't work out, right? And every other time is just it happened.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's yeah, exactly right. Yeah, so I mean, I think I just everywhere I look, I just can't keep seeing, you know, these I keep seeing these very same models in operation, you know, conscious or subconscious. And I believe there's another one of these too. Oh shit, I'm doing the thing with the mouse where this is like this is the conscious world here, and this is the subconscious here. And so this going into this unknown, the extraordinary world, it could also be just unknown, like starting out at the beginning, and then they you know cross the threshold, trial and first failure. All this stuff is learning. This is a learning curve, all this down here, growth, new skills, first success. And then there's this like, oh, I got the thing sort of that I want, but it's not what I thought, you know, and I think we can all relate to that, right? Like, if if ever you've accomplished a goal, you've been like, Yay, I did it.
SPEAKER_03That's that's another thing, though, is like really you better actually know what you want because you actually might get what you want and it's not gonna be that cool, right? You know, it's like what do you I mean I think uh people might not realize that they're manifesting so many things in their life so often, and I can't even tell you how many times I've actually got the the objective desire that I wanted, and been like, so what? It's it's when it's the things that were most rewarding were the were the things were um you know it's things that I've created, not things that other people have created or things are or constructs that other people sold me, you know. It's like I really am thankful that I never chased a degree or anything like that. Just would make me happy. That was my grandparents' model.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Well, knowing what you want, that's that's so important, and it takes it takes a long time to get there. I threw it in here one time, I'll throw it in here again. And there's one I think it's I put it in the show notes. I think I made this little um manifestation guide thing. It was something that I made maybe a month or a couple months ago or something. And uh I was like, man, this is pretty good. I think I'm gonna put this out on uh Audible and on Amazon and stuff, but e and I will eventually, but for now, uh it's available there, and there's a couple emails and stuff that will come, uh just transurfing blogs mainly. And I don't know, I I just that alignment and knowing what you want is so important. My dad said something to me one time that really, really stuck with me, and that was I was going through a breakup at the time, and he was like, It's better to want something you don't have than have something you don't want, and that is so true. Like just having that presence of mind, having that ability to be present, that inner guardian to say, is this what I really want? Because if your heart says maybe, that's a no, yeah. Like the heart is certain when you say, Do you want this? Then the heart, there's no hesitation. The heart's like, yes, it lights up and it does the little jazz hand emoji, you know, like that little little thing, and that's what it does. That's like if if it's maybe or well, then no, the answer is no. So, you know, understanding that and keeping that in mind, one of the books that I think pairs really, really well with transurfing, and everything that we're talking about right now is Stephen Pressfield's book, The War of Art. Have you ever read that one? No, I haven't. It's pretty short, but it's good. There was one on Scribd, too, and there's I believe the War of Arts on Script. I need to read it again. I have a friend who's excellent at what he does, he's a really good director and super duper creative, uh, brilliant, brilliant guy. But he reads that book every single year, and it's basically talking a lot about resistance and and and meeting resistance, going through that resistance over and over and over again. Because Pressfield was one of these guys that he worked really, really hard for years and years and years and didn't have much in the way of sort of success until his 50s, I think, is when he first sold his first screenplay. And he's a writer, and he I think the one that he sold was uh The Legend of Bagger Vance, if I'm not mistaken. But before that, he had had all this, you know, he'd been working on it, but every single day he showed up and he talks so much about that resistance. And I think that dovetails really nicely um with you know the challenges that we've been talking about, even in that everyday cities, uh everyday setting. A lot of the people that I'm seeing talking in self-help and stuff like that, they're saying, you know, the hardest part of going to the gym is just going to the gym, right? Like if you get there, even if you didn't feel like going, when you get there, you're 99% gonna go through with what you got to do because you have already made the you've already made the journey there. And that's kind of his point in that book is to sit down every day, to do the dedication, to do the thing, to write the morning pages, to sit down for 30 minutes and write every day or whatever. And if you can just push through that resistance and just chip away at it and have like a daily sort of routine that you can manage, then over time there's no stopping you. Like you're you the main thing is that resistance. What he says, and this will this goes double in transurfing, where whenever you whenever you like start out to do something, the universe will put up resistance against it. But if you push through that resistance, then that same amount of force will actually come and come and help you to do the thing, right? Like, so you so it's that bat balance of energy, it's the universe saying, Yeah, are you sure? Are you sure? And then when you're like, Yeah, I'm sure. And then, you know, it's like the the the quote, I can't remember who said it, but if God, I think Buddha said, if God gets in your way, cut him. You know, like that whole that determined when you have that, when your heart is that sure, you know, and you're like, This is the thing, then I mean, as long as you can get yeah, as long as you can get through that resistance, then you're gonna be able to make your goal.
SPEAKER_03So, one of the struggles that I have is I don't ever have resistance with things I create, I can create with no resistance all day long. It's where I struggle is getting people to care after it's created, yeah. And and uh, and so you know, I just realized it the other day, and um I I think I'm gonna take a course on copy, right? And to try to, and basically it's just that's about communication because ultimately um one of my one of my other things is I don't care about anybody's approval, which doesn't really help with marketing because you're you ultimately want someone to care, right?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. Somebody says I do in Facebook, and I can't see who you are, Facebook user. I can I can I can see and I can understand, I can understand, I can relate to that Facebook user. Maybe you want to stay anonymous, but I can but I can do that.
SPEAKER_03No, it's car it's Carla. Um unless you got the unless you got the Rock Finn app, everybody's an anonymous Facebook user. Right. Cool. Thanks for thanks for sharing, Carla. Okay.
SPEAKER_01I forgot actually to put these links in the rock fin chat. I'm glad you said something. Uh if you guys want to hop in, if anybody's out there you want to hop in and say what up, feel free. I'm gonna put some other links in there as well. Um just handing out some audiobooks here, guys. Uh stuff that was helpful uh to James and I, and I hope it's helpful to you. If not, no worries. The first three chapters alone of the of this this book that I'm posting over there right now, fantastic. And uh, and I've got another little Diddy, the manifestation guide that I was talking about is here. Put that link as well. Really appreciate you all for hanging out with us. It's so much fun to do this live. I finally capitulated to the YouTube uh uh algorithm authority and you know gave them all my even more information uh to to be able to do the monetization sort of thing or whatever. So we can accommodate different things on YouTube now. Hopefully that will kick the algorithm up and we'll maybe get a little bit more um exposure if you guys can. Please feel free to share some of this stuff out. Uh, you guys can do um super thanks now and all that kind of stuff. Somebody had meant had had sent me a message about that. I didn't even know that was a thing. Thank you, person, for saying that. So I activated all of that. So uh hopefully, you know, we can hopefully that'll help us grow a little bit. I that was something that I neglected to do for the longest time was to give more information. It's like Google, like Google, you don't already have all my fucking information. You know what I'm saying? Like you need you need more. Okay, but yeah, let me do a verification check, but uh, but it's all good. Um, you know, so hopefully that'll help uh help us bump things up and and all that. So I'm throwing some stuff over there, guys. A manifestation guide is really cool. That's something that I felt really uh empowered to kind of create and and and kind of walk through all the steps because it's really about alignment and letting go of importance is as a big thing as well. Um, but that so those two things are kind of emphasized on the manifestation guide. But check the check the books, they're full of incredible nuance, and of course, I've got a ton of videos on trans surfing on the channel and stuff. Um, so you know, feel free to check that out and talk to us. Hit us up in the telegram chat if you got any questions about things. I've got so many freaking resources, and we've done a couple of thank you so much, Virginia. That's awesome! Thank you so much. Um, I've got so many different resources and different things like that, and I'm happy to share. We I I just want to see people do do great things, and the the great thing about the technology that we have now is if something works for me, I can lay it out and be like, here's the process that I sort of how I experience it and what I think, and bam, you know, I can just in an instant send it over to you. And I don't think that I give enough props for that. Sometimes, like, I I see the sort of the the negative side of the of the technology kind of kind of thing a little bit, and uh, and and there's that whole spying on people thing too. I'm joking mostly Google, I promise YouTube. I'm joking, but uh it's amazing that we're able to do this, and we're just building information on top of information on top of information and standing on the shoulders of giants. There's some amazing ideas out there, and we've never had more access to them, so it's really cool to be able to share it and to share it bam so quickly, just like that. You know, if you go to the website too, we've got the mentalism course that James put together, and it's awesome as well. So check that out. It comes with a little like eight-point sort of outline of of things, and then you'll get eight emails that talk about mentalism basically, is what we're what we're talking about basically all the time. It's the primary fundamental principle of life and reality.
SPEAKER_03The fact that um, you know, it's funny. Transerving, really, to me, you know, so I and I after reading, I read the Bhagavad Gavita at the same time as transserving, and I was like, oh man, there's so there's so many parallels between the two. And then I really learned about Hermeticism past um uh those two concepts, and really they're just regurgitated Hermeticism. Yeah, I mean ultimately everything boils down to your choice. Every you know, you you are in a feedback loop, you are creating your own reality, and the choices you make, if something's good, well, you've you've decided it's good, and if you decide it's bad, it's bad, and you're really making um value judgments on benign on on things with benign values, right? It's like if I say something's bad here, well, is it is it bad to someone and over on the other side of the world in China or a rock, or even let's say a tree, a tree's alive, a tree doesn't agree with my assessment, right? And so really it comes back down to distortion filters and things like that, and and our traumas and our failures and all these things create these distortion filters, and what what do they call them? They they call them slides, and it's transserving. You know, I I pretend I I I really resonate with the the word filter because ultimately we're laying down all these filters, and and that's what's determining our reality, and then determine that the termination is really the lifeline that that you're on at that point, right? It's like um, and then you're you're basically creating um what's the positive version of slide the slides?
SPEAKER_01Uh well, positive. Well, I mean, you've got well, slides are basically like that's like your reality tunnel. So, like Robert Anton Wilson would call that your reality tunnel. We're calling it our story, it's like the frame, the filter, the main thing that we kind of look look through, uh, and how we see our world is that slide. That's how I that's how I interpret it. And you can also create a slide. That's what he's talking about, is like creating your slide and then and then molding your mind to form that slide so that when your mind forms that slide, now you project that image into reality and the mirror reflects it back.
SPEAKER_03So you get a feedback loop with the slide that you've created, and basically it's you're creating a filter, a distortion, a good distortion instead of a negative distortion.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so the distortion thing is cool. I really like this. Uh, and you've you you you make a really good point here that everything is, as you say, benign or neutral, right? Like it doesn't have a meaning until we assign it to it. That's part of that story. So so is it yeah. Um, Abby's saying maybe it's amalgam. I don't know. Amalgam, amalgam, I thought was like a a way to kind of infuse certain things into the mirror or the visual or something. Uh it's been it's been a year almost since I've read the book. So it's time to read it again. It is, it is, but but I mean, if you think about like everything is already balanced, like in in his model, balance is the primary sort of thing. It's what allows bodies to congeal and things to have weight and mass and and separate. Otherwise, we'd all just be floating goop, you know, and going in every direction. So that's kind of where he starts that model. And so we see it, you know, balance is equilibrium. Well, I can predict that it'll be summer in July, and you know, fall will happen in October or whatever, right? Like, and so that's how the equilibrium's happening. It's a cycle, but it's imperfect balance, right? So it is, it is, you know, summer's not inherently better, right? I might prefer it better to winter or whatever. They're all equal, they're all of equal value. But whenever I say say that it is, now I'm going negative one to the zero. So we're creating distortion. So I'm trying to think of like how that's outlined. And I don't know that it even is that he says that. I don't think it is.
SPEAKER_03I'm kind of like overlaying my own my own uh uh ideas uh uh over top of it. And um, you know, I mean, I don't even know if that distortion is really a um um a Hermeticism thing. I just saw it after you know, I I had some pretty amazing uh shamanic experiences and and immediately realized that everybody has overlying distortions and uh the and and and really joy and and positive feelings are also are are are Are um positive distortions. They're not necessarily right or wrong. It's just, you know, we we they tend to be more favorable because we enjoy them, they feel good, but it's still a distortion as to the benign value of whatever it is that's here. And you know, then you can take that that good value to an extreme that's unhealthy as well. Um, and that's where toxic toxic positivity and things like come in. And you know, it's like really it's like we and it always comes down to a self-audit and a testing of your assumptions and and understanding are you perceiving reality, are you perceiving reality the way that you have taught yourself to perceive it, right? And and you know, that's what also makes a story fucking interesting, too, is everyone has these levels of distortions, and some of them are all um shared, and some of them are very distinct to the individual, and and it's in that individuality and and what creates these really rich characters, right? And so, I mean, what's better than seeing a really defunct, fucked up individual go through the arc of figuring it out, you know, and uh that's what makes these stories interesting, is the fact that these distortions are present, and uh and you know, and and you know, like I love the idea of uh you know what's the meaning of life and in uh Hitchhiker Scotty Galaxy and the supercomputer says 42. 42 computer languages and asterisks, and asterisk in the in the original DOS, and asterisk meant whatever you will meet want it to be, right? And so that that the supercomputer comes up with that idea, and it's really is it's what do you want to make of of the the time that you've been um inherited here and and and taking form in. And for some people it's jumping off of you know, jumping out of airplanes or jumping down mountains, or you know, finding a cure, or or uh, you know, or writing poetry, right? It's like all and it always boils down to creating, right? Not consuming and and having and living through your own experience.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I think following your own curiosity, you know where that leads you. You know, there's so much, like I was saying earlier about how much information that we have access to, it's like amazing what we can do. I feel like a synthesizer of information myself, where I take a bunch of ideas and I can kind of cobble them together and trim the fat out and save people time. And I think there's a lot of people doing that, and a lot of people who are capable of doing that, all these different ways to where it doesn't even, it's not even it's non-it's not competitive because it's like you can you can bring something completely different, and you are going to just by following your own intuition and your own curiosity than I would. But then we can cross over and we can bring our findings together, and then we can you know merge them together, synthesize that. Now all of a sudden we've got a really cool new model, and then people can take that and then develop on top of that. So I think we're building some pretty amazing things uh as far as it were as far as it's regarding there. And I had another point which is slipping my mind right now, um, but that's all good. I you know, I was mostly just wanting to relate this to uh wanting to relate this to all kind of all the metaphysical uh stuff, but there was one particular thing, I think it was back to the distortion thing. I I really like that because that's seeing something you know out of alignment. That's what it was. So the thing I wanted to kind of touch on was the nuance of you, you know, talking about like toxic positivity and having like a delusional sort of uh frame of mind as opposed to having a positive frame of mind. Abby said in the chat, it's the rose-colored glasses concept, and that was definitely something that I remember in the book where he was talking a lot about how for sure, every single time if you have a negative sort of reaction toward whatever it is, then that's definitely going to make a negative distortion. But I think having a positive distortion is only unhealthy, and there's a specific word that is that I can't quite remember, but it's basically like a delusional, you know, positivity or like a it's it's so out of balance. Um there's a there's a specific word and it's not coming to me for some reason or another. But you can be like in an unhealthy sort of uh state where where you where you have created that distortion, uh, and and it and and it can work against you as a balancing force. But for the most part, having the rose colored glasses and just be staying positive, not in a not in a crazy way, but just in a typical way, a balancing way, it doesn't have negative consequences for you to have a positive attitude, is basically the thing that I'm trying to get out of my mouth, but it ain't it ain't fucking coming.
SPEAKER_03But anyway. Well, that's the thing. It's like and and he does it at uh at a and when we're talking about the Vadim in his book, he he did it in almost a um a very habitual way. He would take every every horrible or or perceived negative thing, and he would make light out of it and say thank you, and things like that, because he was trying to avoid the negative feedback loop, not because he was talking, not because he was looking at it as being, I'm I like this so much and putting this distortion on it. It was more about control, it's not a distortion as much as controlling his attitude towards it, which I think are two very different things. Because if you know you think, for instance, that all things gotta have, you know, this is me, and we've talked about this a lot, Owen, is happiness isn't something you arrive at, it's a thing that happens in the moment. What people are are shooting for is fulfillment, right? And so fulfillment comes with a whole range of things. It's eating healthy, it's loving, it's being loved, it's being partisan, it's feeling like your actions matter. And like throughout all that, there can be disappointments, there can be aggravations, but there's still fulfillment, right? And so what I think he's getting at isn't a distortion as much as a control of behavioral output. Whereas a lot of people, and if you don't have if you're not controlling the behavior output and you're just like top being toxically positive about something, I think those are completely different things. And you know, the distortions can be you know, thinking that you know that this is all about happiness, right? And and no, it's really about the journey and and and uh what you're going to get out of it, what your soul's gonna get out of this uh this run. And you're gonna get to the end of it and have been playing video games and watching TV and and eating shitty food the whole time, and you're gonna get bitch-lapped by your soul. You're like, oh, you didn't go, you didn't get any of it right, man. You sat there and consumed.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I uh I love that, man. Yeah, it's it's really it's really it's like yeah, like uh she said, uh, if things work out, great, if they don't, even better. And it's so it's so easy to sort of forget that in the moment, but um, but just allowing allowing what it is, right? Like that takes so much of that importance away and that like stress to try to get it right, where you're just like, I'm gonna do the thing, and it's cliche as hell to say the the happiness is in the process, but it is. We have to find the things that we like doing. It's like uh I heard David Barbie say one time in one of like his little TEDx talks or what have you. He's a music producer, uh, here in here in town, here in Athens. He they did like a TED thing at UGA, and he was talking about how don't ask what you want to be, ask what you want to do. Because it's such a huge difference. Like, if you want to be a music producer, then you're gonna look you're gonna need to like to wrap cable and stay out at the studio late at night and go fetch fucking lemons for prima donna diva lead singers. That's just part of the that's part of the process. You're gonna need to want to do that, you know. If you want to make movies, then there's certain things that you need to be able to endure and enjoy on that process. And I love doing stuff like that. I'm a huge fan of it, you know. But everybody wants the award and the prestige and the allure and the clout, everybody wants that, but you gotta the private victory precedes public victory, so you gotta actually enjoy the process of creating, and and that's really, I think, when the best and most uh amazing uh discoveries happen, and that Sparks of Genius books basically says just as much. You know, it's like that's that's what you want to get engaged in. So the flow state, right? Being being completely present in the moment and enjoying that, and the more that you do that, the the better the results get. So I mean, I think that's true in a creative sense as well as just a practical day-to-day life's life sense, you know, like whatever it is, the littlest things go into the shitty open mics, you know, and enjoying it instead of being like, this sucks. Like I have that one idea where it's like there's these two sort of realities, and you and you could either go down this trail and just fucking hate it and hate all the bullshit and all that stuff, or you can make the most of it, and who knows what can happen if you actually make the most of it, like from a very practical, obvious sense. If I walk around with my head down and I'm always just like, uh, nobody likes me, nobody wants me to hang out with me, or whatever, then certainly that's not gonna make anybody go out of their way to want to prove me wrong.
SPEAKER_03I'm definitely not calling you up and asking you what you want to do. Exactly. Well, like that's not gonna be productive use of my time. No, of course not. Um, but you know, it's uh I'm reading uh uh time management book right now. It's called uh 15 secrets of successful people. Um time uh something to that effect, and in it, one of it is it's literally outsourcing, and it's like, why do you why do you want why are you gonna do the minutiae of things that you don't want to do? You know, it's like do the things you want to do and do the things that you're good at and find a way to get and to to leverage other people's time, right? And and so you know, ultimately we've all been taught through school that um to to trade our time for money, right? And and not to not to leverage, not to do any of these things, and to make basically be other someone else's passive income uh machine, you know, right? And uh, and so it's tough to to take yourself out of that, but ultimately if you could you could definitely find a sweet spot. And when I say outsourcing, I mean even you know having groceries delivered is outsourcing, you know. Calling up Uber is outsourcing, that's no different than having a chauffeur, right? And so, like, if you if you ubered to to someplace in town or whatever, and you could get some work done in the process of that, and you're not driving, that outsourcing is is working, and like it's finding ways to make more time for yourself to do the things that you like to do, and and uh and doing what you're good at, doing what makes you feel right, and this is what and I and go back to it's about loving yourself, right? And it's like if you are doing things that you enjoy, and and that is that leads to a positive uh feedback loop, and you and you create more and more and more. It's like when I first started making when I made my first movie, I just took an idea and I and and and it came to us where basically in a nutshell, my um my director, he was a um acute cardiac RN in a hospital, and I'm teaching him about trans fats, and he's like, Oh, you're just some hippie. You well, you don't know. I went to school for this. The people I I work with went to school for this. We know we're in the no. And I mean, he got to this point where I'm I'm showing him, I'm like, look, you all are you're all full of shit. And he looked at me and was like, Oh my god, how are you teaching me this? And we looked at each other and said, This is our movie, and so right when we made that choice, I literally started making contacts all over the country. And and and I taught, I I got all I nailed every interview except for the FDA, right? And it's like the universe made space for me once we made that decision in that moment, and it was it was backed by our imagination, it was backed by our emotion, and it was backed by our focus, and then bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, bing, all the way, all the way to marketing, that that movie got made, and the process was amazing, right? And and there was a lot of you know, again, it was a lot of um difficulties, there was a lot of roadblocks, there was a lot of things, but the process was so invigorating and so fun that all those things didn't matter. And the next thing you know, I have a movie, and next thing you know, I sold it to the Russian government, and next thing you know, it's on Netflix, and it's just like holy shit, like, and and to me, that's like I didn't realize that process until I read Transserving, right? And so it's like, oh wow, yeah, I've been on the wave of fortune, I've I've changed my lifelines. I again I tell you what, I don't know anything about making a movie, not uh, nothing. And all of sudden I made the decision back to making a choice, it happened, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Dude, same, dude. It contextualized so much for me that I had witnessed and experienced and didn't understand. But whenever I read that book, it for whatever reason just it categorized all that stuff, all the emotional aspects of what I was able to see other people do and what I was able to do myself and why, right? Like just by being relatively positive, you know, friendly and uh and and and cool to people, you know, and uh and and and also working really hard, you know, but like seeing both of those things and how they both really matter. It's like I have a friend who's like maybe he's not the best at his job, let's say, maybe he's kind of bad at it, and it's even to the point where it's comical, but he's so fun to be around that he always gets hired on every film set because everybody fucking loves the guy, and we you know everybody wants him around, you know? So it's great. So, but and so that is more important. I I say still learn the skill, you know, be good at what be good at what you're doing, but keep that in mind, like it's such a such a big difference. I've said it for years and years, it doesn't matter what job you have, it matters who you do it with. You know, I've had shitty job after shitty job after shitty job after shitty job, and even my dream job still has parts of it that I don't particularly enjoy all the time, and that's part of the nature of it, and that's fine. I've accepted it, I'm not complaining about it, but you know, when it whenever I'm with people and around people and I can share that with people that I love, like I'm whistling while I'm at work, you know what I'm saying? Like it's not it's not the same, it's not the same type of of challenge. It's a it's more fun, it's not like something's against you, it's like you, you know, you're taking something on together, and it can be it can be infectious and so much, so much freaking fun. Um as opposed to just dreading the drudgery and the mundane, the banality of of whatever that thing is. Because there's gonna inevitably be some grinding, right? Like we don't, we don't the the fire doesn't just appear out of nowhere. You gotta gather wood, you gotta get a stick and you know, you gotta light it somehow. So so those those aspects are always gonna be there. But um yeah, I think it's really important to just keep in mind how impactful you know that that can be. And back to the whole if things work out great, if they don't, even better. And that's something that it's really easy to kind of get for me, at least, to get uh to to forget, because it seems like you know, you want to have that opportunity or you want that thing to come through, but then sometimes looking back, like for me, uh tomorrow world, the second one, I didn't work it, I wasn't able to, and I was uh kind of upset, and then it became this horrible, gigantic nightmare.
SPEAKER_03Actually, the same thing I was supposed to work that too, and and then and somehow it didn't happen. And I remember being pissed, and then I remember hearing all the horror stories. I'm like, Well, that's why I didn't work that, and the universe protected me, right?
SPEAKER_01Yep, absolutely. I that dude, that's crazy because like that festival was like 20 minutes from where I grew up, like my house where I went to elementary school, you know, was 20 minutes away from there, and driving there was so surreal for a music festival. But yeah, it worked out to where I, you know, who knows? Like terrible, terrible things happened that second year. You know, they went completely bankrupt. People were injured, hurt.
SPEAKER_03I think some people even infrastructure, right? That's the that's the uh the something downs. Their infrastructure, the the roads didn't have uh, they weren't paved, so when it rains, it all turns to mud, and then it's one lane in, one lane out, and once the road gets locked, nobody can get in and out, and and uh, and then you know, nobody can get the bathrooms pumped and and uh medical attention and all kinds of things. It just goes and then that comes back down to poor planning and poor, you know, poor you know, infrastructure and all kinds of things, right? But they learned some shit. Actually, from what I understand now is that that those grounds have now been um redone and those roads are now paved, and like you know, they're they're prepared to be able to to to avoid a lot of some of those issues that just compound on each other because of that one issue.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, well, I mean, to be fair too, that was like an act of God amount of water that was completely unusual for that week that just happened to be raining for like 10 days in a row. And I mean, it is basic. I mean, it's there's a lot of it's a lot of rain down here uh in the southern Appalachian, so it it's almost a rain for us, but even for that, you know, not excusing anything, but it was just it was a freak kind of I've never seen anything like it, but anyway, um, yeah, it's it's crazy. So it's always kind of it's always really easy to see the benefit. What is it? Hindsight's 2020. Yeah, hindsight's 2020. Also, you know, you can see the lesson, you see the positive thing, you see why it's good that it didn't happen for you then. Like I can look back and see myself at 22 or 23 or whatever, trying to be a musician and wanting to be a rock star and all this shit, dude. I'm so glad I didn't get locked into some terrible contract, and who knows what it wasn't it, it just wasn't what needed to happen, and so I can see that now. At the moment, when that when I when it did when it fell through, I was disappointed. Yeah, but keeping that in mind, like if it works out, great. If it doesn't, even better, and being able to see and know from past experience, hey, this has always benefited me in the past, it's always been to my advantage in the past. So this time it can't be any different, it's just a matter of having that conscious awareness of the character in the story right now, controlling your output, not based on the inputs, right?
SPEAKER_03And and and and that's another, you know, it is, it's like it really is a good line. If they don't, even better, right? And so many times, um, I've been protected from something not working out, right? But like you just you just cannot see that in the moment. All you see is your desire and your focus and and what it is that you want, and and you know, again, you know, I'd be freaking selling cigarette lighters and vending machines at bars and nightclubs when I don't smoke or drink, living in a house with someone I didn't love and in a house I didn't want to be living in, um, if if I didn't lose all those things, right? And and so the universe has to make room for you, and a lot of whatever isn't for you isn't you know isn't going to um present itself.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, that's it. I mean you don't want some you don't want somebody else's goal anyway, right? Yeah, like you want what's yours. You know, uh one of my cousins said if everybody if everybody came in and set their problems down in the middle of the room, you'd be fine and happy to leave with yours. Oh yeah. Yeah, like I'm leaving definitely sticking with sticking with these right here. But I don't want what's mine, I don't want anybody else's thing. You know, he he talks about going after other people.
SPEAKER_03I've never heard that before. You'd be happy to leave with your oh my goodness, I'm pretty sure that I would take mine over most people's.
SPEAKER_01Same. You know, you could you never know what you might find in there that's just like, oh, I don't know. Wow, you know, and and and you know, and and somebody see my problems and think the exact same thing, you know.
SPEAKER_03Which you know, it's interesting too, is a lot of times all we see, especially in this day and age of uh you know, ex a massive external stimuli, is we see the reward and we see the outcome, but we don't see all of the things that go into it, right? And it's like for you know, I can take something as simple as I want to be a major league baseball star. Well, that means you're gonna try. 162 games this year in four months, and uh and and 80 of those games are played someplace else, not where you live, right? And so you're on the road continuously. And don't forget you gotta train all spring to be able to to play those those four months, right? And so you get a couple months a year to yourself, and now so that might be somebody's cup of tea, that might be somebody's bag, but not everybody's designed for that, right? And it's the same thing. What I didn't realize was you know, being trying to be a rock star is being on the road all the time, right? Um it it it ain't necessarily and and then you know, answering to other people, you know, ain't the idea, it's like some relationships, the idea of being with somebody is better than actually being with them, right? And and and so it's like again, it goes back down to self-deception. What do you really want? What do you what do you really need? And and if you start creating and you start living through your now and your purpose, you don't you you cut through all that other stuff and you get to that fulfillment and you get to that self-love and you get to to um the the positive uh consequences of of doing something that you like to do, not just doing things you know for other reasons or like money or prestige or because your parents want it or whatever.
SPEAKER_01Yep, yeah. Well, I mean that it comes to down to getting clear, getting clear into exactly what you want, eliminating everything that you don't want. It's okay to start out with here are the things I don't want. You can make a fucking list of shit. I don't like this, I don't want to cut the grass, I don't want to live somewhere hot, whatever it is, it doesn't matter, it's up to you, and you can clear all that stuff out. I found that to be a very powerful and empowering exercise because like a lot of times you just sit down and we're like, Well, what do I want? Well, it's not that it's not that easy. Yeah, what don't you want? Get rid of that stuff off the rip, like okay, I know I don't want these things, okay, and then you know, and then take take what what it is you think you want, and then build an end image that slide, right? And so that's you know, that's sort of your navigation to this thing that's over here, and then reverse engineer that back to you to where you are now, and say, well, if this this character that would be here would be here on its trajectory right now, going through these aspects of the story, right? I'd really like the idea of evaluating where you are on the timeline of the story, too. To me, that gives me so much perspective because I'm like, Yeah, no wonder I'm discouraged, right? Like, I'm in the fourth, I'm in the fourth act. The fourth act sucks. It's the most entertaining for the audience, but it's the worst for the character, for the character, yeah.
SPEAKER_03And you know, you might be on the sequel of the third, the third act of the third sequel.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, there's I mean, these stories are going on in many different facets, right? Like, so I'm starting out on a brand new journey in one way, and then in another way, I might be in the third act, you know. And and so this particular story, you wind up in the fourth act. Well, once you've encountered that a number of times, now you have the resilience and also the presence of mind to understand I'm in the fourth act, it's the dark night of the soul. This is supposed to suck, it's gotta have some pain to it. That just is what it is. This is how I achieve my goal to get to that fifth and final step, the last, the last act, the big resolve, you know, and that whole story can kind of go all the way around, unfold, and continue. And uh, oh, that's awesome! Yeah, so I just dropped uh heal your wounds and find your true self audiobook by Lise Burbeau. Um, that is such a good book. Oh my god, if you have not listened to that book, I do recommend it. It is really about understanding trauma, your particular soul wound. She talks about the different soul wounds, and you can have more than one, but it's incredibly apt and accurate. It's amazing what she was able to put together. And uh I do, I do recommend that book. It's really good, you know. When we're getting through, you know, and and working on working out sort of trauma and and getting rid of the parts of the story that doesn't suit us, right? Like ideally, we want to create a story, a slide we'll say is synonymous with story in our mind, map, map, model, what have you, that totally serves us, right? So that we project through that and then the image from through that is reflected back to us. We create a very helpful filter for ourselves that we see the world through, that we, you know, continuously put energy toward and through. And in order to do that, sometimes we got to dig a little bit deeper and kind of figure out where, you know, where um where where we've been traumatized, where we've got some pain, where we've got some hurt, do that shadow work. If you're confused about that, then reach out to us, hop in the telegram chat or in the Facebook group or whatever, ask a question, don't be shy. That I think the shadow work stuff is some of the most un difficult to difficult to talk about and also uh misunderstood kind of stuff, you know. Uh, I think it takes it often takes, it took for me a little bit of help with that. Not not not to say that everybody needs help, but uh for me it was helpful to do some like Reiki sessions and some other shamanic kind of things that I did uh that really helped me with that. But everybody's got their own journey, their own path as well.
SPEAKER_03Well, you know, yeah, a lot of times, you know, and this is the problem with therapy, is they just pick and prod and make you re feel these negative resistances as opposed to actually digging down and and opening up and feeling the feelings from the thing that really mess you up, right? And and once you start doing that shadow work and you do it with someone who's either uh by yourself with the proper tools or with someone who's really good, yeah, and you actually you know heal those wounds, you see the world from an entirely different angle. And and and and that's when you know you can really see that it happened for me and not to me, you know, and and it's tough, man. You know, it's like and you know, there's different levels. Like I uh my my core um my core trauma was uh abandonment and betrayal, right? And I could I already knew it and I could go back to the exact moment and and it was extreme, so it was easy to identify. Um, but my I have a friend who has the exact same core trauma, right? But his was so subtle that he didn't even know it or understand it, and it took really a lot of um digging to figure it out, and so once he figured it out and once he understood how subtle it was, it was like I don't even know how I could have felt that way. It was so so minimal, right? And you don't know where people are, right? And it's like we both had the exact same core trauma, right? And that core trauma is guiding all of our behaviors and all of our outputs, and and you know, when you if you were to put our each of them side by side, you would mine is still more extreme than his, but you can't take away what that trauma actually is, right? It still affected him in the exact same way, and so you know it it's it it's hard to dig in and really find some of these spaces that we've because ultimately we got coping mechanisms, and we put this filter on, right? Because of uh uh it's a coping mechanism and it's a filter and a distortion on what reality is, and we continue to operate through that that coping mechanism, and what we're doing is we are resisting feeling that moment, and that's and then we continue to work with those coping mechanisms, and we continue to get triggered, and we continue in that negative cycle, right? But until you really sit down and just like, holy shit, that was a terrible moment, and I did feel bad, and and it's okay, and I can let this go, and and I can also forgive the people involved, then you release this powerful distortion that is literally destroying different parts of your life, whether if it's professionally or emotionally or whatever, and you can do that with a lot of things, and then the more deeper you do the work, you realize, like, oh my god, I didn't realize I'm hanging on to this, and I was hanging on to that, and like literally, like your whole emotional structure is this jungle gym of of just complete um um delusion or self-delusion or or or self-protection, right? And and so, yeah, that shadow work, it really is important stuff, uh, and it's but it's scary because it takes stepping into the pain, it takes feeling feelings that you didn't want to feel then that you definitely don't want to feel now. No, right, and you've been avoiding it the entire time, right? But um, ultimately, the those those um digging all that stuff up is important, and and you can dig it up wrongly and dig it up in a way that'll hurt you, you can dig it up in a way that'll heal you, and so you know that shadow work, it takes a little, you know, it takes a little bit of self-discovery and and patience with yourself and and a lot of loving of yourself, right? It's like you aren't your pain, you aren't your suffering, you aren't your trauma, and you know, you have to separate yourself from those things, and and ultimately those are the things that are giving you the the the main distortions or or filters that help you uh stay in your own way.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, those are those uh those are those sticking points, those little speed bumps, you know, the edges, the edges of what you allow for yourself. So to kind of get down there and dig into that trauma. It's not fun. I've had a couple people that I've worked with, and it's it's draining, man, doing the coaching of it, like it really is so much emotional energy. And uh, we were riffing a little bit earlier, you know, thinking about jokes and some comedy and stuff. But it's like, man, it can't, it really can be a lot because you know, we all have some painful shit that has happened to us throughout our development. But in order to really open that up, you gotta start working your way down and doing that shadow work, which you were saying you've been having all kinds of crazy vivid dreams. I think that's a big part of that shadow.
SPEAKER_03Oh, well, you know what? I haven't smoked pot in over over a month, right? And it's like one of those things, it's like um, you know, especially you know, when I'm out at music festivals and working, it's the way the the community shares, and you know, it's a it's a sit-down, it's very communal. And um, you know, I got towards the end of the music festival season, and I'm just like, I'm just not interested, it's not a priority. Uh, you know, I got limited funds, and my funds need to be towards my goals, and and so I just stopped stopped smoking. I bought a bottle of wine a month and a half ago. I still have a drink in it. Um, you know, it's like I'm not engaging in these things, and and so I put my bed facing north. I should, I man, the dreams have been insane. And you know, I I stay up working all eight, all night, and go to bed at like 6 or 7 a.m. And it's always the same thing. The dreams hit me around 11:30, and uh and they go hardcore till about you know 1:30. And I can wake up even to like my mom vacuuming or something, and uh and go right back to bed and go right back into the dream, right where I was leading off. And lately it's just been um you know, ex-girlfriends and friends in trouble and like all kinds of weird stuff, and none of it's um been too weird. So a lot of times I have I haven't had this am I dreaming question because it like it all seems like my life is so crazy and so uh fun and and and like it seems on point with the things that could happen. And uh, you know, every now and then there's a couple weird things, and and uh and I'll be like, am I dreaming? And then I I just continue to go with it, but they've been so vivid lately. Like I wake up and now they seem like memories, whereas you know, like sometimes when you're not really with the dream state and and and aware of it often, you get up and it's sort of like I have this vague recollection. No, like I now got memories of my one of my close friends and I, you know, you know, he got in trouble with the law, and his bounty hunters are chasing him and stuff. Not if it was real, it was all a dream, but like we were going all over the country and doing all kinds of stuff and evading all this stuff, and I was helping him, and and like I woke up and like you know, I worked with him last week, and uh we didn't have any of these experiences, you know. But I had this memory of us doing, I'm like, wow, like my you know, like I've gotten so sober and so into work and and and and play that and and gotten rid of you know the uh external uh inputs that now my my uh my internal my my internal um stimuli is just going haywire. I feel like the next the next movie is coming up soon in one of these dreams, man. Like I'm just gonna be like that's a movie, dude.
SPEAKER_01I mean, that's the cool thing. And so I've been so fucking binary. And by the way, are you in the dream telegram chat?
SPEAKER_03I'm not, but uh you can send me over a telegram link. I'll check them out.
SPEAKER_01I'll send you an invite. Anybody in here, if if you want to check that out, get into the main telegram and just chirp, chirp up via squeaky wheel in there, and we'll get you in there if you want to get into the uh if you want to get into the dream chat. Uh, but I've just been so binary about this. We we did we we did a a book club not too long ago. I want to do another book club on Tufty. I'll I'll send you my uh copy if you want, because I got the audio book and I'll probably just wind up listening to it like probably three or four times. And it's it's way shorter than reality transurfing, so it's not something that you know is gonna take two months. It's like we could be done in two weeks and we're done, you know, maybe three weeks, so it'll be a lot easier. But we did the dream searchers, and uh, and I just and I just kind of like had I had compartmentalized the dream world and the real world, and it's like, dude, that shit is overlapping all the time. It ain't just the dream world and the real world, it's like every thought, every image, all that stuff, that's all metaphysical dream stuff. So we're daydreaming through life, you know, we're seeing these images. I want, you know, to kind of get into more of that creative. That's where I that's you know, that's my goal, that's my passion, at least for now, right? Like, who knows what happens down the road, but that's where that's where I'm at. So I've been pursuing it too, and doing some of these meditations and trying to induce some lucid dreams and stuff like that. But um, yeah, man, I mean it's getting, I think there's a lot that can be learned from dreams for unpacking trauma too, because it'll it it's your subconscious being like, yo, you know, you need work on this thing, right? And like if anybody's the Abby's the best at it, uh, it's kind of like seeing and sort of interpreting from a from from not from like some weird level of uh dream interpretation kind of thing, but instead like kind of putting you at the center, at the epicenter of the dream and being like, okay, this is you showing you that you need to do X, Y, and Z, what have you. But uh yeah, we need to we need to be lucid. She says we need to be lucid in waking and dreaming. And those two worlds, they they cross over. I've just been, I can't believe how how you know uh dualistic I've been about that. Um, but anyway, I think they I I think I think she's that's exactly right. Like, so in that dream searchers book, you know, they're doing they're all the time practicing their dream stuff, and they're and and they're and they're like it they're working in the dream and they're working in reality, and they're they're sort of doing both. And I think that's um so let's see here. We got some good stuff. The dream space is the subconscious marrying the conscious, yeah. I mean, exactly. And so that's what we want to go for in our physical life too, right? That's that intention. So you get into a lucid dream and you start flying around like a boss, then you can use that same power, the power of intention, in your waking life, real life, physical life, 3D life, whatever you want to call it, and you can use that same exact power. So that's the cool uh thing about that. So, you know, something we've all been doing. Uh, dreams dreams can really show us where we need to heal, and and it can definitely be a fun playground. But the more elusive we are, the more we're able to zero in on our character, our avatar, our main all the world's a stage, and just zero in on that, like the more power that's gonna generate for us to to create as well. I mean, if anybody knows about it, is Wendy. Wendy's in the chat too, and Kevin too. Uh, really, really cool. Um, Wendy's stuff is awesome. Uh, I I I can't wait to hear from you, Wendy. I'll I'll I'll ping you after this live stream if you're still up. She's in Australia, so I don't know what fucking time it is there.
SPEAKER_03No doubt. Yeah, they're waking up right now. I think it's like 10 a.m.
SPEAKER_01Probably so. Well, that's the thing about it. She kind of keeps an odd schedule as as you do, and as an artist, and then a lot of times it'll be this time, and I'm I'm some, you know, I pass out kind of early. I get drained, you know. I'm I'm tired by 11 or 12 at night usually. So uh, so it's she says it's almost 3 p.m. in the afternoon. So that shouldn't be a terribly inconvenient time to shoot. I'll shoot you a message after this.
SPEAKER_03So I've been I've been going to when I go to bed, I like I literally what I was saying all last week is I'm gonna remember my dream. And then I was also saying, like, I'm gonna realize I'm dreaming, but I'm always late to realize it. It's like always towards the end when it's like really I've been in bed too long, and it's kind of like my conscious body is like, hey, are we gonna do some shit today or what? And uh, but yeah, I it's definitely like, and you know, I had definitely had some like ex-girlfriend dreams, whereas like my ex-girl, my ex-girlfriend's father was helping me move or move out or move some shit, and it it seemed so reasonable that I couldn't even, I I couldn't challenge it. It was like was like, oh yeah, I'm not with this girl no more, and like of course her dad would help me move all this shit out of here, and and uh there was nothing to like make me question it, you know, and but but a lot of times uh I I did have I had another dream where uh I was in Arkansas in a space where there wasn't water and I was with an old friend and and uh and a bunch of like I don't I don't yeah it's tough to say maybe it was like um street gangs or or or something was trying to like um was trying to get us and like trying to get us to buy drugs and trying to do some weird stuff. It's I mean I couldn't say like staying a street gang, it doesn't even make sense either. But but it was like there was like all we have boat races and water and like uh you know things things there was always something impending action, yeah, and like you know, but like whatever whatever anything happens, you know, I had the same this is the most beautiful thing about this last couple weeks of dreams. I had the same dream over and over and over for most of my life, and it was usually authority chasing me in a prison or a boat or some kind of confined area, and they'd almost catch me, and then I would just fly away and be like, Yeah, fuck you guys, and uh and I stopped having that dream, so it's like um if it's interesting to have new dreams that make no sense, right?
SPEAKER_01Well, yeah. I mean, dude, this is why Abby's the goat, dude. She's like, You're moving through some shit, you're getting rid of some emotional baggage you avoided. Well, forgive me for the unsolicited dreams. Hey, whatever. I just can't. She, I mean, dude, I mean, she just is tuned in. Like, I've and and this makes this makes the most sense too, especially in light of that Heal Your Wounds book, because I've had this experience where I've had dreams of I was babysitting my parents' children, which is me, obviously, right? Like, and so and and and interactions with these kids where they're thanking me for taking the time to acknowledge them. And that's just me. Well, that's some inner child stuff, yeah. That's me carving out the time to go into myself, right? Like, and so myself is telling me, Thank you, you know, and I I I waited 30 something years to legitimately sit down and do, you know, to do that work. And so, you know, the more that the more that I put that time in, the more of a reward it is, and it shows me, you know, new things that I can heal and all this different kind of stuff. But uh, yeah, I mean, I think generally speaking, a lot of times it is us communicating to ourselves. There's all kinds of crazy shit that happens in a dream. I mean, nobody's gonna be able to tell you what what everything means or whatever. But but for the most part, I do think that main narrative is hey, you know, uh your higher self, your subconscious showing you some things and maybe you know, giving some ideas too. You know, yesterday was written in a dream, the Beatles song. Apparently, Paul McCartney dreamt that. Um, you know, lots of great ideas have come through that dream space, or even the liminal space, right? Like that space between dreaming and waking. And I think there's a lot of power there, like all the Monroe Institute stuff, all the gateway stuff, like that shit's really powerful, man. Doing the um the um HemiSync. The HemiSync stuff is so good, so good. And Monroe, I think the Monroe Institute, as far as like all the supernatural practices kind of stuff. I mean, I think they kind of have the market cornered on most of that stuff because they had they were working on that shit in the 60s with the CIA and stuff, you know.
SPEAKER_03So yeah, that's like uh you know, I had a friend that um that was telling me about how he had a dream and like he knew he wasn't like necessarily in a dream, and like it seemed like he was maybe like lucid dreaming because he was like controlling where he was going, and then all of a sudden, the um he in his lucid dream, the United States Army showed up and they wanted to know how he got there, and they wanted them to go with him, and he's like, I'm not going anywhere with you guys. It was it's like it's like I don't know where you guys came from, but I'm staying I'm staying the hell away from you. But you know, I had another weird dream the other night too. Like, um I I was in a house that lots of friends had lived at in a house and a town I haven't been in in a long time, and lots of friends had lived in that same apartment, and the bathroom was always broken in that apartment, and now I'm in this apartment with new people that I didn't really recognize, and I remember their bathroom didn't work, the bathroom didn't work again. This is like 30 years later, and I'm like, I'm cursing the landlord. Like, I'm cursing like literally like man, this guy still ain't fixing this shit. And 30 years later, and uh, but it was amazing. I was like, I knew exactly where I was, I just and the people were familiar, but the uh the space was very familiar. But the bathroom didn't work, and then I went in there, it was just puke everywhere, and uh, and I was just like, yeah, um I wasn't grossed out by it, but I was like, definitely don't need to go in there.
SPEAKER_01She goes, uh, so Abby's like, toilet is broke, or what pound or what part of the bathroom is broken?
SPEAKER_03Uh the toilet wasn't connected. Um, there's just a hole in the floor that actually one of the people at the in the house had pooped in the hole where the toilet belonged.
SPEAKER_02And they did.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and then it was like and uh and so yeah, and it wasn't even like someone actually puked, or they were puking anything, or I saw them puke. There was just like bile and little splotches all over the room, and it was yellow, and I was just like, and I was just like, Man, I was like, I puke is definitely one of those things for me that I I doesn't agree well. I smell it, see it, hear it all set, right? And uh, and I didn't have and like in that space, I would I didn't have my normal reaction. I was just like, All right, so what? And uh I was more concerned with the bathroom didn't work, and that landlord still wasn't taking care of his shit, right? And it's like, and I was like trying to talk the inhabitants of the house into like getting that motherfucker in there to fix the place, and and uh that they had some reason I can't remember exactly what it was, but they know they didn't want anybody in the house, and I was like, and then that's when I started to question a dream. I'm like, who are these people and what are they doing that they don't want the landlord here? And why am I here? I don't even remember getting and that's like I woke up because I was like, I I was like, I don't even remember entering this room. I was like, How am I here? And then I woke up asking that question.
SPEAKER_01That's awesome, yeah. Dude, that's awesome. No, I mean, there's definitely we don't dream for no reason, you know. It's not like we're not here for no reason. I've said this a bajillion times, you know, like we're here for something, and that's up to each and every one of us to determine that. But at the same time, it ain't fucking nothing. Uh yeah, so yeah, I mean, yeah, she's the best when it comes to this stuff, it's pretty freaking cool. Uh definitely get you in that chat. And everybody, if you're watching this, if you want to hop in there, just just just uh say something in the main telegram chat. There's a link for that. There's links for that all over. There's links in the Instagram bio and the website and the everywhere, you know, you can find the telegram link uh pretty easily. And uh yeah, hop in there. The dream stuff is very, very um, I think it's very relevant and and and worth and worth the energy. So it's pretty cool and you know, lots of support and encouragement and other people's weird dreams in there. And people have been very um they've had a lot of they've been very vulnerable, you know, and been honest and talked about the dreams that they've had and different things. Some some I've had, I'm like, well, I'm I'm not I'm not gonna post that, but but you know, it's up to your discretion and all that stuff. But um, but yeah. So yeah, so that uh heal your wounds, find your true self book, that is such a good book. Um, really, really took a lot of value out of that. And uh, and then you know, some of these folks, Abby's one and Janine, they start to talk about too the parts in your body where certain organs are and the significance of all of that kind of stuff. So this stuff can go like the Enneagram, super deep, where we can see, you know, nice, a nice diagram on the surface that makes sense, but studying all the connections and all the tissues and all the things that bring that all together for lots and lots of time. You guys like exploring Yellowstone, you know, you can spend your whole life there and still not see everything.
SPEAKER_03No kidding, yeah.
SPEAKER_01But um, yeah, man. I I think that's uh man, I think that's a a good place for us to kind of wrap this up. And I I want to thank everybody. Uh I'll come for closing thoughts too, if anybody has anything, but I want to thank you guys for hanging out and chatting with us in the chat and being so freaking active in there. It's awesome, it's so much fun, and I really appreciate it. Um, so thank you for that. And hopefully, you guys I put a couple different links in there. I know I have the little manifestation guide thing that's in the description of the video. Um, you can go to bluecollar mystics.org and get the blueprint to happiness and the mentalism emails and uh the heal your wounds thing I put in there and a couple other little audio books that I won't say out loud. But um, but yeah, if you if there if you if there's anything uh anything that you're thinking about, curious about, want to share, please feel free. I've got some great uh guests that I've been talking to uh who are coming up. It's gonna be a lot of fun this December. It's gonna be a great winter. Really excited about it. I'm gonna be home more, sort of nesting in a way, in a sense. Uh I got an interview coming out with Nicole BZ, the anti-business business coach, uh coming out tomorrow. Uh, my friend Sarah Malone just posted uh uh and and a podcast that I was on. She's great. We met at the Grimerica thing. The Grimerica thing, by the way, is super cool. The mountain magic uh manifestation. We're gonna be on Mount Shunt Shasta uh this year, and uh tickets are up. There's only a few spots left. So if you're interested in doing that, check it out. It's uh contact at the cabin.com. Uh, and uh I need to put that link somewhere on the website, and I will do that. But thank you guys so much. Uh, any final thoughts? Where what are you is there anything you want to direct people to, uh James, or uh anything you want to add?
SPEAKER_03You know, um currently I'm just working on rebranding the Sonic Portal for outside of the festival market and um working on what I call the Montreana, which is a Sanskrit word for um for sound vehicle. And uh and so yeah, I got the Montreana on um on Instagram, but you know, you can still find me on Sonic Portal. I'm just not trying to use a psychedelic spaceship to uh be a function of profit outside of uh outside of the festival arena, and so that's that's basically what I've been working on most. And um, and yeah, so hope to see and anybody wants to message me, message me at Sonic Portal at uh uh Instagram.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah, all right, all right, thanks everybody. You guys, you guys made our night, dude. It's uh it's amazing how the mirror reflects like that. Thanks for hanging out, everybody here. All you fine folks in the chat, you're wonderful, have a wonderful night, have amazing dreams, and we will see you all very, very, very soon. Peace, have a great night.
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